Thomas Bramall

[Chris Smith]

Split second decision that showed his inexperience. So for that a complaint is warranted. But what exactly are we seeking here? it’s done now. And it’s not the first time either.

Did it cost us, absolutely.

Did we deserve to win the game, absolutely not.

These complaint is meaningless, we have complained, so what?

So that in future the experience and level of competence of referees are taken into account when deciding who gets to officiate such high stakes games.

[aj2k77]

Does his wiki still call him a manc wanker? If not I'm up for starting up a rota to keep amending it permanently.

[Paul.S]

The reason we didn't qualify for the CL is because we weren't good enough over 38 games. Any complaint from  the Club is both pointless and belittling.

We are better than that.

Correct, it would be all a bit Liverpool to start making formal complaints etc . that resolve nothing anyway . Take it on the chin and move on .

I wouldn’t normally agree with a club statement but this was needed. It’s doesn’t ask for a replay, it doesn’t go in on the ref but asks for an explanation as to why he was given the game. I think it was needed because the PGMOL has become an embarrassment.
This is not just a bad decision, which happens most times we play them, it goes against everything, in every game they’ve done and spoken about all season.
They don’t blow early because they use VAR to make the decision but yesterday the ref goes against that. It’s not corruption, it’s total incompetence on a level that needs an explanation and one for the public to see. The ref has decided he doesn’t want to use VAR this time.
You get managers going public and attacking the refs in interviews yet Emery has done the opposite after, which shows a lot of class. I think we are due an explanation from an organisation that hides behind every excuse in the book. The PGMOL needs an overhaul because they are making a mockery of the game and if that’s what this encourages then it’s been worth it.
Do little old Aston Villa not deserve an experienced referee for our game? It’s about time someone called them out and about time we stuck up for ourselves because no one else will.

[ChicagoLion]

Split second decision that showed his inexperience. So for that a complaint is warranted. But what exactly are we seeking here? it’s done now. And it’s not the first time either.

Did it cost us, absolutely.

Did we deserve to win the game, absolutely not.

These complaint is meaningless, we have complained, so what?

So that in future the experience and level of competence of referees are taken into account when deciding who gets to officiate such high stakes games.

You would have thought that an organisation that is paid to organise match officiating would know this already.
It won’t change anything.

[Dave]

This Var can’t get involved once the ref  blows his whistle……

https://x.com/jimivillan/status/1926725852374421917?s=48&t=LVxR0Bw9iameEdYaLirmDw

That's nothing like the same thing though.

That's a penalty being given for an offence that happened while the game was taking place, like any other VAR decision.

Brighton player handballs it, VAR tells the referee he's missed it, play goes back.

[AllanW]

“Any complaint from  the Club is both pointless and belittling. We are better than that.”

Pure cowardice. This is the losers action of adjusting their mental attitude after suffering real injustice. It's the defeated activity of attempting to put a mask of spurious 'honour' over the scar just inflicted, signalling acceptance that you will do nothing to fight against it. Cowardice = acceptance of injustice.

It's not 'belittling', it looks weak. Because it is. I hope the club finally start to act seriously against the Premier League and the PGMOL regime they installed and fight. Because if they don't we will continue to experience the level of unfairness we've undoubtedly experienced for at least 5 years now. Almost single-handedly the Villa have been on the losing end of three or four major changes in rules just to paper-over the incompetence and bias delivered by PGMOL on behalf of the PL.

We don't even need to fight solely on our own behalf though, it's just a fight for the structure and processes of the competition to deliver a fair result. Not tilted in any direction, just a level playing field we can all compete in. Contrasting with the odious, biased and slanted delivery we currently experience.

If you want a laugh, go back over any discussion on VAR or refereeing competence on this forum or any other held in the last 5 or 6 years and laugh desperately at all the comments which support the PL and PGMOL.

- 'It all evens-out across the season'. Do you still think that? It has never been true and is simplistic, cowardly nonsense. Relegations, promotions and European qualification are determined by the actual accumulation of incompetent and biased results across a season.

- 'You can't change the rules for the competition; the PL will always win.' Just tell Man City lawyers and owners that then; they seem to be be doing whatever the hell they like and the PL are failing in response.

- 'There has always been human error involved in football, it's a part of the game.' Installing rules and a refereeing system is meant to move a haphazard set of human failings towards a more fair set of results not further away from it by creating new and interesting ways to sway the results of games.

Refereeing is failing on a consistent and massive level compared to the degree of fairness delivered by other major sports (cricket, rugby, tennis, american thuggery etc). Football deserves far better than this clown show. But we won't get it if we don't fight for it and we won't even fight if we adopt an attitude of defeat whenever we are screwed by the PL and PGMOL. 

[Brend'Watkins]

This Var can’t get involved once the ref  blows his whistle……

https://x.com/jimivillan/status/1926725852374421917?s=48&t=LVxR0Bw9iameEdYaLirmDw

That's nothing like the same thing though.

That's a penalty being given for an offence that happened while the game was taking place, like any other VAR decision.

Brighton player handballs it, VAR tells the referee he's missed it, play goes back.

It’s something like the same thing as the premise is that incidents can’t be looked at once the ref blows his whistle. They obviously can.

[Dave]

This Var can’t get involved once the ref  blows his whistle……

https://x.com/jimivillan/status/1926725852374421917?s=48&t=LVxR0Bw9iameEdYaLirmDw

That's nothing like the same thing though.

That's a penalty being given for an offence that happened while the game was taking place, like any other VAR decision.

Brighton player handballs it, VAR tells the referee he's missed it, play goes back.

It’s something like the same thing as the premise is that incidents can’t be looked at once the ref blows his whistle. They obviously can.

That's not what the issue is here. There was nothing for VAR to go back and look at, because anything that happens after the referee has blown his whistle isn't part of the game. There was no "incident" for them to judge. They could technically have gone back and said "yeah, actually that wasn't a foul", but we don't get the goal in those circumstances, because the goal was scored once the game had stopped.

In the example that bloke's posted, the equivalent would be the referee blowing the whistle for full-time, then Man Utd scoring and VAR giving the goal even though the game had ended.

[dave.woodhall]

For years we've let injustices go unremarked because, "We're better than that." Funnily enough, the clubs who aren't better than that, the ones who complain loudest, tend to be the clubs who win trophies.

[Drummond]

Precisely. Yet another marker in the sand. We understand the rules, we know it can't be changed but you can bet we're not fucking happy about it.

We won't be fucked around with.

[SamTheMouse]

Yeah, why bother pointing out we're a bit frustrated about one of the worst mistakes in years going against us in a key game, better to just roll over and have our bellies tickled.

Reading the complaint, that is what we have done.

I think it's worth underlining our annoyance. When it comes to officialdom, a lot of it is psychological warfare. Anything that can plant a seed in the mind of the FA and referees, to the effect that Villa have been wronged and that they might have some cause to feel sympathetic to our cause, will do us no harm in the future.

It's all about banking the credit and upping the pressure bit by bit. It's why Yanited get the decisions they do, for example. Takes years to build that sort of unconscious bias.

[ChicagoLion]

Yeah, why bother pointing out we're a bit frustrated about one of the worst mistakes in years going against us in a key game, better to just roll over and have our bellies tickled.

Reading the complaint, that is what we have done.

I think it's worth underlining our annoyance. When it comes to officialdom, a lot of it is psychological warfare. Anything that can plant a seed in the mind of the FA and referees, to the effect that Villa have been wronged and that they might have some cause to feel sympathetic to our cause, will do us no harm in the future.

It's all about banking the credit and upping the pressure bit by bit. It's why Yanited get the decisions they do, for example. Takes years to build that sort of unconscious bias.

Or a Rolex.

[PaulWinch again]

I think we’ve complained in the right way - not gone personal, or demanding an outcome we’re never getting. But calling out the process, which is entirely reasonable.

[Hopadop]

In the grand scheme of things I don’t really care about them either. Anymore than I care about what the Noses think. It’s more they are equating what happened to us today to what happened against them at Villa Park. It’s all a bit stupid really because one isn’t remotely like the other. But they’re convinced it’s karma. Twats that they are.

Meh. Fuck 'em 🙂

Except they don't really. Sure there will be one or two, in the same way there are fans from various clubs discussing it on the BBC live page thingy.

I've had it mentioned once to me since it happened and I live here, live with Blades, work with them and see them every day.

My in laws have a chunter about it every now and then, but to be fair it was an astonishing fuck up.  And it's in the context of who's the longest suffering and unluckiest.  I don't suppose they give it a thought when I'm not around.

It's probably just people on forums, and they're a strange lot.

[Hopadop]

And I think SamTheMouse is bang on.