Manchester Utd v Aston Villa Post-Match Thread

[Brazilian Villain]

I'm getting hectored by a Manure fan

He's texting you in Irish?

[DC1874]

How we deserved jack shit because we were shit

[john2710]

Newcastle bottled a home game against Everton to achieve the Champions League. It happens to other teams too.

Irrespective of how we played up to Rogers goal, it was still 0-0. We'll never know how the game would have played out if we'd taken the lead. We could have won 1-0 or lost 5-1. Instead an inexperienced ref made his only error in the 90 mins by not following the protocol to allow the game to continue. He rushed to make a subjective decision that never needed to made, giving himself no backup when he got it wrong.

And it's most likely cost us £50m+.

[ROBBO]

From the kick off all my fears were justified, they passed the ball back and we stood like statues on the half way line, no press,and i thought then, we're in trouble. This has been a feature throughout the season, we have lost the ability to attack at pace. Rogers being played out of positition has left him a passenger for most games, Mings having shown what a leader on the pitch he is gets overlooked. Emery has done wonders for the club and I love his passion but this slow build up shit is killing me.

[joe_c]

As an aside, the hot takes on social media have made it abundantly clear that people who don't support the Villa are fucking idiots.

[VillaTim]

From the kick off all my fears were justified, they passed the ball back and we stood like statues on the half way line, no press,and i thought then, we're in trouble. This has been a feature throughout the season, we have lost the ability to attack at pace. Rogers being played out of positition has left him a passenger for most games, Mings having shown what a leader on the pitch he is gets overlooked. Emery has done wonders for the club and I love his passion but this slow build up shit is killing me.

Yep , atrocious and as bad as anything Gerrard ever served up . Leaving Mings out has killed the season off on all fronts . Idiotic .

[KevinGage]

I still maintain we'd have been better off today if Yanited had won their final on Wednesday.

This is absolutely true. As awful as we were today, they were better than they’ve been all season because they needed to be today after coming out of the season with nothing but a near relegation. If they’d won in the week, they wouldn’t have cared today.

When any team sits off you as much as we did early on it will give you confidence.

Going on the front foot and looking for a knockout early blow isn't always the way to go, especially on the road.

But against a team low on confidence anyway and just coming off a humiliating cup final defeat mid week it has to be the way to go, Shirley.

I've heard it argued earlier in the season that the tepid slowly slowly walking football was deliberate. And designed with a long season in mind. But what else were we conserving our energy for today.

Last season and this we are better personnel-wise than that mob 1-11. But you would never have guessed it with our approach to the game.

[Toronto Villa]

If you’re going to have technology to fix mistakes then allow it to fix mistakes. Not choose when it can or cannot fix mistakes. We’ve seen countless times where the play goes on and is brought back by VAR to correct something missed by the on field officials. I get the rules are if the whistle blows it’s over. But that needn’t be the case if they truly want correct errors. Doesn’t resolve things today but VAR is overbearing when it doesn’t need to be and underused in other instances. And I still contend it should be used only on a challenge basis by the manager. Maybe 2 per game. Otherwise let offsides be semi automated and the rest down to on field refs.

[Rory]

How we deserved jack shit because we were shit

You shouldn't have given a Man Utd fan your number.

[Rory]

As an aside, the hot takes on social media have made it abundantly clear that people who don't support the Villa post about football on social media are fucking idiots.

[ChicagoLion]

It's possible to think that we played badly and that the referee was useless. It's not an "either/or".

Correct.

Yes.
Both are true.
Not sure what I am most angry about.

[ROBBO]

What disturbed me the most was the total lack of energy, you would have thought we were playing a pre-season practise game. The few times we did attack their defence they looked vulnerable. JM in particular looked out of sorts, when he's on he drags the rest with him.

[ChicagoLion]

Just as Glasner did a number on us, it looks like Amorin using a similar system did the same. We were unable to cope with their press. Add to that some absolutely awful performances fromtoo many players ( Cash Maatsen Watkins)We had no out ball, Watkins was dominated by Maguire and you can not afford to have Rogers and Asensio  together in a high energy game as neither provides any defensive cover.

[The Edge]

Guys , we didn't turn up , forget the one ref decision, we should have been 0-2 by HT and 0-3 before that. We were shit today . Please stop blaming the ref .

Yeah we were shit, but we should have taken the lead, against the run of play, which would have happened were it not for a calamitous piece of referring.

Both of those things can be true, and are.

Dreadful performance.

Robbed of potential underservedly getting something from the match by the referee.

Did you not watch the first half . We were shit

Yeah we were and no one is saying any different. You're stating the bleeding obvious. But it wouldn't be the first time a team has played crap and won. We were denied that opportunity by a calamitous piece of refereeing. It's Old Trafford the place where calamitous refereeing decisions are common especially when we play there. The point is it's always them that gain the benefit from such decisions.
Today's conversation could well have been about their wastefulnes in front of goal and how good teams just "find a way to win" But it's not. Today's conversation not just amongst us but amongst every media commentator is about an appalling mistake by a novice referee who shouldn't of been in charge in the first place.

[The Edge]

Just as Glasner did a number on us, it looks like Amorin using a similar system did the same. We were unable to cope with their press. Add to that some absolutely awful performances fromtoo many players ( Cash Maatsen Watkins)We had no out ball, Watkins was dominated by Maguire and you can not afford to have Rogers and Asensio  together in a high energy game as neither provides any defensive cover.

I agree. It looks like Glasner has worked out a gameplan to totally nullify our game and Amorim followed the blueprint. It's what happens in the PL.
The surprising thing is that a coach as good as Unai Emery seems to have a blind spot to it and set up the team to walk straight into the same trap that Glasner has set against us three times now.