Manchester Utd v Aston Villa Post-Match Thread

[Lsvilla]

Is there any sort of man city points deduction we can pray for?

Well the verdict is due any day.

Is it?

Never mind the day, a specific decade might be useful.

Didn't Simon Jordan suggest not to expect a decision before 2030 when all the main protagonists and those impacted are long removed from the scene of the crime.

[JUAN PABLO]

The penalty was a bit of a strange one as well.  There seemed to be a bit of delay before he pointed a bit unconvincingly to the spot.  Wonder how he reached that decision as it didn't look like he'd seen it initially.

The linesman didnt flag , he must have got something in his ear piece.

[VillaTim]

Wow what a shitshow . Again when it mattered .
Emery poor team selection again favouring the hapless Torres who cannot defend or command / organise a backline .
The rest of them , pathetic , what were the actual tactics / instructions. That was abhorrent. Disgraceful showing .

[Mellin]

People know we went 1-0 up away from home with 10 men, right?

[amfy]

It is right to say the ball is dead as soon as the whistle is blown, so there can be no VAR review.

It is also true to say, match officials selectively apply the laws and ‘instructions’. They even have guidance that provides them with cover - they talk about “respecting the entertainment” of the match/occasion.

For example, I suspect the VAR official was in the ear of the ref suggesting a penalty that it looks like both the ref and linesman had missed.

So, if VAR had reviewed the decision and sent the ref to the monitor, allowing him the chance to overturn his decision, there would be little or no fuss.

The PGMOL is not corrupt, though it is guilty of seeking to do everything it can to prioritise the onfield decisions at the expense of getting the right outcome. As a result, they often look ridiculous and further diminish the reputation they seek to uphold.

The bottom line - for me - is that we were really poor, but that does not negate the fact that it’s very likely a terrible and avoidable* decision changed the outcome of a really important game.

*avoidable in the sense that had a VAR review happened any comments about the ref having blown the whistle a second too early would be dismissed with claims of how “VAR had enabled the right outcome.”

I agree with this and feel it is a relatively minor adjustment to the current VAR remit.

To me you can compare the decision to send Emi off (which was correct) where they have to surmise that Torres could not have made an impact as a covering defender, therefore Emi made a ‘last man’ challenge. In this case there is supposition about what might have happened had the foul not happened.

They could similarly surmise that even if the whistle had not been blown, there was no Man U defender who could have stopped Morgan’s goal. The whistle was blown incorrectly, but did not impact play, therefore the goal stands.

If anything, the second is a clearer decision.

[Somniloquism]

Pretty sure everyone knows that when the ref blows play is dead. The system did nothing wrong today, the ref blowing too soon is the fuck up.

Except VAR can go back, review and override decisions.  We've even had decisions where a game has ended, only for a penalty to be reviewed and given after the final whistle. 

I agree that the under the current rules then the correct process was followed, but after seeing that today you do have to question if that is the right process.

The process is fine. The daft decision to blow the whistle was the only problem.

Blowing the whistle is part of the process. VAR is supposed to correct clear and obvious errors, it's mental that a ref blowing up for whatever means no VAR.

But anything that happens with the ball after the whistle has blown hasn't happened. Because the ball is no longer in play.

So VAR doesn't correct referees poor decisions.

It corrects poor decisions made when the ball is live. The whistle stops that.

Interestingly, very early on in the match, the live text mentioned Heaven brought down Watkins when he was last man but the flag went up so offside was called. The live text person mentioned Ollie looked onside. Anyone have any thoughts on that? It probably should have been reviewed as it was a potential red card call, but again might also have fallen into the cracks between what VAR can and can't review.

[wolfman999]

Lets face it, if the ref hadn't blown his whistle and the goal had been referred to the VAR (Stewart Attwell) who would have any faith in him reaching the correct decision anyway.

[VillaTim]

We need to look st the performance rather than the officials (yes they were crap but we could easily have been 0-2 , 0-3 down before the disallowed goal) . Absolutely shite performance and we shouldn't disguise that .

[Mellin]

We. Went. Ahead. With. 10. Men.

[Legion]

https://www.skysports.com/football/man-utd-vs-aston-villa/report/506181

[Clampy]

The thing I don't get is, what's the point in having VAR you can't look the referee's decision even if he's blown his whistle?

[Toronto Villa]

https://x.com/avfcstatto/status/1926692154476229034?s=46

McGinn isn’t wrong

[brontebilly]

Pretty sure everyone knows that when the ref blows play is dead. The system did nothing wrong today, the ref blowing too soon is the fuck up.

Except VAR can go back, review and override decisions.  We've even had decisions where a game has ended, only for a penalty to be reviewed and given after the final whistle. 

I agree that the under the current rules then the correct process was followed, but after seeing that today you do have to question if that is the right process.

The process is fine. The daft decision to blow the whistle was the only problem.

Blowing the whistle is part of the process. VAR is supposed to correct clear and obvious errors, it's mental that a ref blowing up for whatever means no VAR.

But anything that happens with the ball after the whistle has blown hasn't happened. Because the ball is no longer in play.

So VAR doesn't correct referees poor decisions.

It corrects poor decisions made when the ball is live. The whistle stops that.

Interestingly, very early on in the match, the live text mentioned Heaven brought down Watkins when he was last man but the flag went up so offside was called. The live text person mentioned Ollie looked onside. Anyone have any thoughts on that? It probably should have been reviewed as it was a potential red card call, but again might also have fallen into the cracks between what VAR can and can't review.mm

Think he was off alright, flag not meant to go up though. bring it back if tight. I wouldn't mind but they were wide open but the pass was delayed slightly. Same in second half, Ramsey was clean through but Watkins made a mess of the pass.

[ez]

Isn't that what VAR is for too correct mistakes by the referee, well some got their wish who criticise it as the referee helped with that decision

Var can't unblow the whistle.

[itbrvilla]

I’ve calmed down now and in the cold light of day I don’t blame the referees or Unai, it was Cash and Emi who fucked that up.  With Emi on the pitch we would have done them

Lay of the booze. We weren't even 2nd to the second balls when Emin went off.