Aston Villa v Palace Post-Match Thread

[ez]

Getting mugged off by Palace for 100 minutes at Wembley would kill the atmosphere for anyone.

From the first minute?

You could clearly hear the Villa fans early on.

Agreed.

[Beard82]

Calmed down a bit - a really disapointing evening.
My three big takeaways have been:

• Against physical, well orginsed teams we should play Mings - he is a very good leader and defender.  And whilst I can understand Torres starting against PSG (for example), I understand - but against Mateta, Sarr et al we need to be more physical and Mings would have been the right choice.  There is no point in having strength in depth if you dont use it
• Aseciso - clearly very talented - but he has had no impact recently.  Rogers at number 10 works due to his completness as a player - and is our best number 10 as a starter.  Marco does very well when the game is stretched but seems to struggle to make space for himself from the start.  None of this is helped by overplaying Rogers which we have done this season
• Game plan against physical / high press teams - we got it spot on against foreset and newcastle - but today was unacceptably bad. We never tried to use our superior technical ability - we blitzed both the other teams by being on the front foot and moving the ball much, much quicker

A very bad day at the office.
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[Chip Butty 111]

Agreed fans were piss poor today...

If they were in not surprised given what was served up.

Gave as good as we got noise wise until we went behind. Penalty miss gave us a lift then Sarr goal killed it completely. Loads leaving on 80 mins around us and you can't blame them as we offered nothing. I've been at much quieter games tbh

[AV82EC]

Getting mugged off by Palace for 100 minutes at Wembley would kill the atmosphere for anyone.

From the first minute?

There were a few cheers and chants in the first 30 minutes but as soon as Eze scored it deflated our whole end and we all seemed to take a collective sigh and go “here we go again”. Other than a couple of minutes after they missed the penalty we sat in stunned silence for the most part. Utterly dispiriting.

[DC1874]

Really hope Man City funeral Place👍

[Percy McCarthy]

Out of interest, across those games is the only difference Mings or Torres playing?

Of course not, but if you're discounting data that conclusive then all statistical analysis involving variables needs to be ruled void.

No, but we also know that Carlos/Pau with Konsa at RB was better than Konsa/Pau with Cash at RB.

Yes, precisely. Stats like that can be misleading, because there’s a whole host of variables. I don’t doubt Mings is a more dominant defender, I just don’t think it translates into Torres being a waste of space. I think in form and in the right combination they’re both proven to have been very valuable players.

Stats can prove a lot of things and nothing. See above, Diego Carlos 🚨

Please use stats to prove that Konsa/Pau with Cash at right-back was a better defence than Carlos/Pau with Konsa at right-back.

I’ll wait.

What about Carlos/Torres with Cash at right back? I'm not sure how much it has to do with Cash. He is fine in the Konsa/Mings setup.

Konsa/Mings are so good they bail Cash out. 37 year-old Ashley Young was probably better playing alongside those two.

I suspect the better defensive stats achieved by Carlos/Pau owed much to Konsa being at RB, which he almost always has been when the former two play at CB.

People who genuinely think Cash is a massive upgrade on Konsa in this position refer to this more effective defence as ‘The Dreaded Konsa Experiment’. Warning: check their player ratings before taking them seriously.

[PeterWithesShin]

I've made peace with the fact I could live another 100 years and Villa won't win the FAC again. We could be the only team in it one season and we'd still find a way to get ourselves kicked out.

[Lucky Eddie]

Getting mugged off by Palace for 100 minutes at Wembley would kill the atmosphere for anyone.

From the first minute?

You could clearly hear the Villa fans early on.

Agreed.

From the back of the stand behind our goal it sounded like palace throughout.

[BoVillan esq]

I've made peace with the fact I could live another 100 years and Villa won't win the FAC again. We could be the only team in it one season and we'd still find a way to get ourselves kicked out.

Yep, in the unlikely event of a future pandemic, nuclear war, global environmental melt down and we by some strange quirk have to play Villa reserves in the final at Wembley, Villa would still lose..... 

[Steve67]

I've made peace with the fact I could live another 100 years and Villa won't win the FAC again. We could be the only team in it one season and we'd still find a way to get ourselves kicked out.

We'd probably field an ineligible player!!

[stevo_st]

Their warbuton MotM.

[Beard82]

Can someone who knows, tell us about the who does what based on league standings please?  We know the top 5 finish in the Champs League, Newcastle winning the League cup does what to the finishing places, Europa, Conference placings etc if Palace win the cup or not?  ta.

Yeah I have been trying to work this out.  My thinking is:

1 - 5:  UCL
6 - Europa
7 - Europa if A UCL team wins it (Man City or maybe Forest) Otherwise Conference League (assuming Newcastle finish in the top 6)
8 - Conference League assuming 7 is Europa

No idea what happens if Man Utd or Spurs win the Eurpa or Chelsea win teh Conference. 

[Charlie8182]

At Oxford Services on the way back with many disappointed Villa fans.  The radio pundits suggesting we’re looking tired (the reason for today’s no show), which made my mood even worse!

[Legion]

[stubbsyandy]

Cash did fine, support was quiet, mings should be on, ref dubious…last two games we have not looked like our Villa