Aston Villa v Palace Post-Match Thread

[SoccerHQ]

That was our seventh defeat in our last nine Wembley appearances.

We’ve got a really bad record there. Apart from that record, I hate the place as a venue. It’s still a shithole only now it’s a soulless shithole.

Atmosphere really didn't sound great from our end compared to what Palace were doing at the start. Apparently the club stopped us doing a big TIFO at the start or wouldn't pay for some of it?

We just start games way too slow at Wembley and then we have to chase things letting in a cheap goal, pitch is also much slower than most prem grounds so perhaps next time it might be worth requesting to train on the pitch the night before if you're allowed to like in the CL.

[Le Lapin]

As last time we played Palace...when he fucks up, he really fucks up.

It’s a very specific blind spot against them. Maybe next time try something different.

Players not being able to do the basics doesn't help whatever manager you have. Midfield was shocking today.  Konsa and Cash were awful as well. Watkins got nothing to work with. Bad midfield destroyed our defence. No fight or accuracy throughout the team today.

[BoVillan esq]

I think it's safe to say we peaked too soon. Shot our bolt with the two magical nights against PSG and Newcastle. A possible Europa league spot is the best we can hope for. I just can't see how Unai can rally them to win the last four games to even give us a chance of a CL spot. The dressing room must be as flat as my misses after she breastfed the twins.

I think if we don't make the Europa League, I think we could easily be looking for a new manager in the summer, Uni loves his Euro Comp's

If so we could do a lot worse than the guy that just embarrassed Emery - again - though we’d have a lot of competition

The way the season is playing out you can already see a couple of likely takers on the horizon that he may well consider, pretty sure if Man Utd come in he would now consider that and if Chelsea qualify for CL think he would look at that, not forgetting clubs from Spain Germany.

[Lucky Eddie]

11 men didn't turn up today and neither did 45,000 Villa fans.

The two feed off one another and we let them down as much as we let them down.

And that hurts.

[colin69]

I think for a lot of us of a certain age the F.A. Cup is what we really want to see us win and it’s just so frustrating that yet again we haven’t turned up.
Last Saturday we looked amazing against Newcastle and a few days before came back with a fantastic second half performance against PSG.
Now the season looks over and we may end up with Conference League if we are lucky.
We won’t be attracting the likes of Rashford if that is the case.
We certainly have come a long way under Emery but it still feels very deflating.

[Percy McCarthy]

Out of interest, across those games is the only difference Mings or Torres playing?

Of course not, but if you're discounting data that conclusive then all statistical analysis involving variables needs to be ruled void.

No, but we also know that Carlos/Pau with Konsa at RB was better than Konsa/Pau with Cash at RB.

Yes, precisely. Stats like that can be misleading, because there’s a whole host of variables. I don’t doubt Mings is a more dominant defender, I just don’t think it translates into Torres being a waste of space. I think in form and in the right combination they’re both proven to have been very valuable players.

Stats can prove a lot of things and nothing. See above, Diego Carlos 🚨

Yeah, fuck facts. Vibes all the way!

Please use stats to prove that Konsa/Pau with Cash at right-back was a better defence than Carlos/Pau with Konsa at right-back.

I’ll wait.

[PaulWinch again]

Another problem in some recent games - I’ve not seen it before but Bouba is kicking the ball, and running on the pitch, like he’s wearing diving boots.

[AV82EC]

It’s never easy to say it but we weren’t good in supporting the team today. The whole thing was a shitshow from start to finish including in the stands. So so dispiriting.

[dorsetvillian]

Such a missed opportunity. Difficult to see what Uni was trying to do with the team selection and tactics. We played exactly how Palace wanted and a no stage made it uncomfortable for them. Not one player performed to an acceptable level. Even a missed penalty couldn't raise the Villa performance. Was it complacency, arrogance or being shit scared of Palace that did for us. It's going to be very difficult to pick that squad up after such a terrible display. It would be such a shame for the season to end on such a downer.

[Steve67]

Can someone who knows, tell us about the who does what based on league standings please?  We know the top 5 finish in the Champs League, Newcastle winning the League cup does what to the finishing places, Europa, Conference placings etc if Palace win the cup or not?  ta.

[dorsetvillian]

Agreed fans were piss poor today...

[PaulWinch again]

Agreed fans were piss poor today...

If they were in not surprised given what was served up.

[AV82EC]

Agreed fans were piss poor today...

If they were in not surprised given what was served up.

Yep we started badly the less said about the middle the better and the end was awful.

I’m here all week.

[Mellin]

Out of interest, across those games is the only difference Mings or Torres playing?

Of course not, but if you're discounting data that conclusive then all statistical analysis involving variables needs to be ruled void.

No, but we also know that Carlos/Pau with Konsa at RB was better than Konsa/Pau with Cash at RB.

Yes, precisely. Stats like that can be misleading, because there’s a whole host of variables. I don’t doubt Mings is a more dominant defender, I just don’t think it translates into Torres being a waste of space. I think in form and in the right combination they’re both proven to have been very valuable players.

It doesn't translate to Torres being a waste of space. It translates to Tonsa being a waste of space and Tyrone Mings being our best, or at least most important, defender.

[dorsetvillian]

Just wasn't like other Wembley occasions...