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Offline Rigadon

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Re: Wolves vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
« Reply #225 on: February 02, 2025, 11:26:52 AM »
Their fans embarrassed themselves with hat high pitch “veela veela” nonsense.  Imagine being so sad that pretending to be a nose isn’t beneath you. 

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Re: Wolves vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
« Reply #226 on: February 02, 2025, 11:27:26 AM »
Watching Villa away from home is like we've gone back in time to Lambert's idiotic sideways and backwards passing across our own penalty area. We had a goal kick that we spent about a minute passing sideways from one edge of the penalty area to another, only to lose possession just outside the box. I appreciate Emery's style of football is all about possession, but we've been rumbled now! Even if Emi took a traditional goal kick and we lost possession in the opposition's half it wouldn't be as dangerous as losing possession outside our own penalty area? We just don't have the players at the moment who are capable of keeping possession in midfield and springing the trap.

Another thing that is really getting my goat right now is Konsa getting caught in possession and falling over on the ball and picking the ball up. He's doing it every game now. Refs are going to catch on the this sooner or later and a booking will be coming his way.

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Re: Wolves vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
« Reply #227 on: February 02, 2025, 11:37:11 AM »
Re-watched the game this morning without my beer goggles. First half was completely blues and i can't believe Emi let that shot beat him at his near post. We were actually decent in the second half once the changes were made. The disallowed goal was a total game changer. I really think we would have gone on to win the game if it had stood as it should have. I didn't notice at the time but the lino was flagging for offside which it clearly wasn't and I think the Stockley Park was once again guilty of covering their colleagues back and that's become the number one issue with VAR. They managed to find the flimsiest of excuses to disallow the goal which was pivotal to the result. For the second we were caught on the counter and our defensive frailties were there for all to see. All in all not as bad as I thought at the time but a piss poor Wolves side managed to get several one on ones in the first half which is very worrying. Oh and we saw yet another clueless performance from a supposed top class referee. We really are in a bad place for referees in Premier League right now.

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Re: Wolves vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
« Reply #228 on: February 02, 2025, 11:39:06 AM »
Correct about the officials. I think the linesman yesterday incorrectly flagged Malen offside and VAR rescued him by creating the very unusual ruling that Rogers was offside, even though he didn’t touch the ball or foul the defender but simply because he was between McGinn and the defender. They do anything to spare the blushes of “their” team, by which I mean the team of officials.

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Re: Wolves vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
« Reply #229 on: February 02, 2025, 11:40:09 AM »
I get confused with VAR but I thought the incident was a subjective offside in terms of whether Rogers impeded from an offside position,  in which case the ref has to make the decision from the monitor. I think unusually, the decision was made too quickly.

One question I have is whether anybody saw the position of the linesman when he flagged. My guess is he was flagging the scorer as he can’t know whether Rogers touched the defender.

All the amateur refs defending the decision as if it was obvious on X are assuming he flagged Rogers.

If the offside was given against a different player then surely VAR had to send the ref to the monitor?

Yep, I can't see how he would would have flagged Rogers either, unless he thought it was Rogers who actually crossed the ball?

It opens up a can of worms regarding the process really because in a circumstance like that, the lino should make it clear who they have flagged offside.  That then gets checked on VAR along with anything else.  If the VAR official didn't flag Rogers but thought he fouled the player, then the ref should have been sent to he monitor to check it.
« Last Edit: February 02, 2025, 12:11:06 PM by tomd2103 »

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Re: Wolves vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
« Reply #230 on: February 02, 2025, 11:44:02 AM »
I get confused with VAR but I thought the incident was a subjective offside in terms of whether Rogers impeded from an offside position,  in which case the ref has to make the decision from the monitor. I think unusually, the decision was made too quickly.

One question I have is whether anybody saw the position of the linesman when he flagged. My guess is he was flagging the scorer as he can’t know whether Rogers touched the defender.

All the amateur refs defending the decision as if it was obvious on X are assuming he flagged Rogers.

If the offside was given against a different player then surely VAR had to send the ref to the monitor?

Yep, I can't see how he would would have flagged Rogers either, unless he thought it was Rogers who actually crossed the ball?

It opens up a can of worms regarding the process really because in a circumstance like that, the lino should make it clear who he has flagged offside.  That then gets checked on VAR along with anything else.  If the VAR official didn't flag Rogers but thought he fouled the player, then the ref should have been sent to he monitor to check it.

Isn't it just the same as standing infront of keeper from corner and blocking his view as header comes in. If you're stopping an opposition player from doing something then you're deemed offside now.

Annoying as I very much doubt Semedo was getting across in time to block the McGinn cross regardless, he was pointing at the wall when we first played it.

That said we were so terrible in first half we should've been 3-0 down so the ref yesterday didn't annoy me as the one last week refusing to send off Alvarez or the Forest one who wasn't even giving us obvious free kicks at the end.

Looked a clear foul on Rogers before their second aswell.

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Re: Wolves vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
« Reply #231 on: February 02, 2025, 11:49:00 AM »
From what we did last season and to an extent, what we have done i Europe this season...yesterday was shite. We need to get to the level of being able to play midweek and getting results.on the following weekend. Unai needs to sort that out. As currently, we are mid table side but we are better than that. Losing to Wolves FFS.

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Re: Wolves vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
« Reply #232 on: February 02, 2025, 11:54:23 AM »
Watching Villa away from home is like we've gone back in time to Lambert's idiotic sideways and backwards passing across our own penalty area. We had a goal kick that we spent about a minute passing sideways from one edge of the penalty area to another, only to lose possession just outside the box. I appreciate Emery's style of football is all about possession, but we've been rumbled now! Even if Emi took a traditional goal kick and we lost possession in the opposition's half it wouldn't be as dangerous as losing possession outside our own penalty area? We just don't have the players at the moment who are capable of keeping possession in midfield and springing the trap.

Another thing that is really getting my goat right now is Konsa getting caught in possession and falling over on the ball and picking the ball up. He's doing it every game now. Refs are going to catch on the this sooner or later and a booking will be coming his way.

I just can't help but feel that we're just a bit soft and weak and that gets exposed away from home.  There are a few exceptions of course, but on the whole they don't seem the most resilient bunch and when things aren't going their way, they seem to collectively go to pieces a bit. 

I'd say Martinez, Mings, Kamara, McGinn and Watkins are probably the exceptions, but the others just seem to come apart a bit when things aren't going well and you can see it in their body language as well. 

There have been a number of games this season, where just too many players have been poor for us and continually coughed up possession far too easily. 
« Last Edit: February 02, 2025, 12:12:04 PM by tomd2103 »

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Re: Wolves vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
« Reply #233 on: February 02, 2025, 12:05:38 PM »
I think they didnt give wolves a pen because they know they fucked up with malens goal.

It was a shambles. Not just that, that delay with thw subs was just pure embarrassment

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Re: Wolves vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
« Reply #234 on: February 02, 2025, 12:16:33 PM »
I get confused with VAR but I thought the incident was a subjective offside in terms of whether Rogers impeded from an offside position,  in which case the ref has to make the decision from the monitor. I think unusually, the decision was made too quickly.

One question I have is whether anybody saw the position of the linesman when he flagged. My guess is he was flagging the scorer as he can’t know whether Rogers touched the defender.

All the amateur refs defending the decision as if it was obvious on X are assuming he flagged Rogers.

If the offside was given against a different player then surely VAR had to send the ref to the monitor?

Yep, I can't see how he would would have flagged Rogers either, unless he thought it was Rogers who actually crossed the ball?

It opens up a can of worms regarding the process really because in a circumstance like that, the lino should make it clear who he has flagged offside.  That then gets checked on VAR along with anything else.  If the VAR official didn't flag Rogers but thought he fouled the player, then the ref should have been sent to he monitor to check it.

Isn't it just the same as standing infront of keeper from corner and blocking his view as header comes in. If you're stopping an opposition player from doing something then you're deemed offside now.

Annoying as I very much doubt Semedo was getting across in time to block the McGinn cross regardless, he was pointing at the wall when we first played it.

If that is the case, then surely you have ascertain whether a foul has actually been committed or not?  Given the kind of blocking and wrestling that goes on at corners, then it would be difficult to argue there was a foul there.

Anyway, it's done now but frustrating as I think we would have got something from the game had that goal stood.
« Last Edit: February 02, 2025, 12:24:19 PM by tomd2103 »

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Re: Wolves vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
« Reply #235 on: February 02, 2025, 12:18:33 PM »
Given our shocking record of dropping points after champions league games, if we'd needed to play the extra two games and gotten to the final we could have been the first team to win it and get relegated in the same season.

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« Reply #236 on: February 02, 2025, 12:20:45 PM »
It was offside. Rogers doesn't need to have committed a foul to become active. He just needs to have impacted Semedo's ability to get near the ball.

Rogers stood deliberately offside and his role in the routine was to make it harder for Semedo to get to McGinn to buy him space. Therefore, the second he nudged Semedo, he became active and therefore offside.

I've seen them given before so it's fair enough. The issue yesterday was the players not the referee

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Re: Wolves vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
« Reply #237 on: February 02, 2025, 12:25:25 PM »
It was offside. Rogers doesn't need to have committed a foul to become active. He just needs to have impacted Semedo's ability to get near the ball.

Rogers stood deliberately offside and his role in the routine was to make it harder for Semedo to get to McGinn to buy him space. Therefore, the second he nudged Semedo, he became active and therefore offside.

I've seen them given before so it's fair enough. The issue yesterday was the players not the referee

You're not fooling anyone with that user name mate  ;)
« Last Edit: February 02, 2025, 01:19:42 PM by tomd2103 »

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Re: Wolves vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
« Reply #238 on: February 02, 2025, 12:31:18 PM »
Their fans embarrassed themselves with hat high pitch “veela veela” nonsense.  Imagine being so sad that pretending to be a nose isn’t beneath you. 
yeah and champions league , youre having a laugh .

oh didnt realise we had finished top 8 into the last 16.

twats

Id understand if it was corrupt city or Real Madrid

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Re: Wolves vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
« Reply #239 on: February 02, 2025, 12:41:23 PM »
It was offside. Rogers doesn't need to have committed a foul to become active. He just needs to have impacted Semedo's ability to get near the ball.

Rogers stood deliberately offside and his role in the routine was to make it harder for Semedo to get to McGinn to buy him space. Therefore, the second he nudged Semedo, he became active and therefore offside.

I've seen them given before so it's fair enough. The issue yesterday was the players not the referee

Your the only person who has said its offside. No pundit has that the decision  was the right call

 


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