Marcus Rashford - signed on loan (injured - out for season?)

[PeterWithe]

Barney Ronnay is usually quite good to read, but that article seems a bit of a hatchet job.

I dunno really, you could really sum it all up in a sentence. Player has a celebrity status unsupported by his performances. Is that his fault, his former clubs fault or our fault as a society for elevating him thus?

As they are like rats in always been near you, I have a few mates who follow ManU, their gleeful reporting of the 'strong rumours' surrounding Rashfords supposed off field habits don't survive the first couple of questions.

[Drummond]

Hat-trick on Sunday please.

[DB]

Great signing if he realises his potential at Villa. Needs to put shifts in as at ManUre he didn't look bothered. It's up to him now, he has a great opportunity at the world's best club.

[Simon Page]

Even if you don't agree with what they write, you can't deny it's usually well written. In fact, most of the best writers in the "mainstream" press seem to be at the Guardian.

Some people think that anything that looks like it wasn't written with a fist and a crayon pretentious etc.

And a lot of journalists like to develop a persona and celebrity all of their own. I'd have subbed that down to 300 words and suggested he takes a poetry course in his own time. In places it's impenetrable, often massively contradictory and always so desperate to reach for the next "huh-huh" in-the-clique acknowledgement. It's pretty much smart-arse column by numbers; something he can knock out from a template rather than really stretch his talent.

As for the substance - where it exists - it could be written about any high profile player, especially one that steps outside football and dares to have an interest in things above their station. Player X can be good, doesn't usually live up to they hype, splits opinion, has fallow periods, adds to my clicks. I learned a lot about Barney Roney in that piece, and discovered there may be someone called Flex, but sod all about Rashford or this transfer.

[Monty]

It's not my favourite Ronay column but honestly, he's a writer who's got a style. You don't have to like it, but that's what it is.

And perhaps someone who sees this as a 'style vs substance' issue maybe isn't best placed to judge.

[Sexual Ealing]

Even if you don't agree with what they write, you can't deny it's usually well written. In fact, most of the best writers in the "mainstream" press seem to be at the Guardian.

Some people think that anything that looks like it wasn't written with a fist and a crayon pretentious etc.

And a lot of journalists like to develop a persona and celebrity all of their own. I'd have subbed that down to 300 words and suggested he takes a poetry course in his own time. In places it's impenetrable, often massively contradictory and always so desperate to reach for the next "huh-huh" in-the-clique acknowledgement. It's pretty much smart-arse column by numbers; something he can knock out from a template rather than really stretch his talent.

As for the substance - where it exists - it could be written about any high profile player, especially one that steps outside football and dares to have an interest in things above their station. Player X can be good, doesn't usually live up to they hype, splits opinion, has fallow periods, adds to my clicks. I learned a lot about Barney Roney in that piece, and discovered there may be someone called Flex, but sod all about Rashford or this transfer.

It's an opinion piece by their star man. Most people are reading it to read Barney Ronay pontificating about x,y or z, and if they want to find out details of the transfer they can click on the news next door.

[Monty]

I only read articles by my favourite journalist who's all info and no bleedin' poetry. I think his name's 'Press Association'.

[andyh]

I don't know why people keep saying 'if he realises his potential'. Rashford has more than demonstrated what he is about and what he can deliver.

Duran has potential, but no has nowhere near 'realised' it yet.
   
Its more a case of whether Rashford can recapture his form, not realise his potential.     

 

[Sexual Ealing]

Also Simon, if you'd subbed it down to 300 words you'd quickly have been subbed out the door!

[Goldenballs]

Three assists in his past 48 Premier League games is pretty shite.

He allegedly has/had addiction issues. Not sure if that kind of thing can be discussed here but shouldn't be too hard to find on Google. Could also just be made up Internet bollocks.

He also has 7 goals, with an almost 1 in 3 scoring record THIS season, while being in and out of the side and played out wide when he does appear. He's got fewer league minutes than Jacob Ramsey, for context.

I'm still baffled by people looking for alleged negative things about him.  He's here. He's ours (for the rest of the season at least), and when he's good, he's VERY VERY good.

By all means remain sceptical, but why on earth would anyone go trawling through dodgy rumours on the Internet to find negative things about a new signing?  It baffles me.

Responses like this baffle me to be honest, creating a scenario that didn't happen to get upset about. Who's trawling through the Internet looking for dodgy rumours?

What's happened to him at utd is very unusual, not many managers throw players under the bus so publicly. It's an interesting discussion point. The only reason he's here is because what's happened there. Either he's a lazy fuck who's downed tools completely, Amorim is a mental case, or something in between. If none of that interests you, no worries.

[Simon Page]

I only read articles by my favourite journalist who's all info and no bleedin' poetry. I think his name's 'Press Association'.

Yes Fauntleroy, I get the desire to be very clever and love it when it's done well. When it becomes a bit cliched and to a template, it drifts between tiresome and twattish. I have no doubt fans of Ronay will be quite happy with it. As it's on the Marcus Rashford thread I thought I'd look for some Marcus Rashford elements as well, as Flex might stutter. My additional interest in journalism should be no huge surprise.

Mr Ealing, the subbed to 300 words should be read like a mum saying "I'll brain you". In truth I'd leave subbing stuff like that to others or just spellcheck and legal the fucker. We all have our favourites.

[Monty]

Just worries me that you called an article written in B1 English 'impenetrable'. Makes me wonder what your definition of 'clever' is.

Also, someone who doesn't like clichés calls someone else 'Fauntleroy'. That's some original shit.

[cdbearsfan]

Crikey. Remind me never to criticise an article in the Guardian around Monty.

[Monty]

I hate the fucking Guardian!

[cdbearsfan]

In that case, I'm not even sure what we're arguing about. But I didn't want to miss out.