I've got a feeling 8th place will need more than the models predicted. I reckon 17 points
We will know more tomorrow. But Barca/ Dortmund play each other, and Arse/Monaco play each other which could lead to changes. And next round, we play Monaco, Athletico play Bayer, Benefica play Barca etc.
So there are lots of teams who will drop points who are up there at the moment, simply because they are all playing each other.