Aston Villa v Liverpool - Post-Match Thread

[Mister E]

I felt the Rogers miss early in the 2nd half was the decisive point: score that and we push on and make a game of it, particularly since Liverpool clearly came out for that half with a slow-down / containment approach. I saw the tug on Torres for the free kick as a foul, since without the tug he'd have got to the cross and perhaps created something: as usual Coote bottled it (he really is an excuse for a ref).
In the pre-match thread, I argued for a double-pivot of Onana and Kamara, with Philogene playing the more defensive winger role (instead of the waste-of-space Bailey): having watched most of the game, I stand by those thoughts.

[Mister E]

We’d potentially have conceded fewer goals with someone else playing instead of Carlos in the games where he should have been credited with assists for the opposition.

I agree and if the rumours were tru he would have been replaced last summer but FFP didn’t allow it to happen

Don't think  it was FFP; no one (notably Fulham) wanted to stump up the dosh for him.

[Percy McCarthy]

Konsa has pretty well only been chosen this season when Cash has been injured, so whatever the stats do or don't say, Cash is still Unai's first choice when fit. Konsa was dreadful at right back yesterday, Carlos was awful at centre back, and one of his characteristic mistakes led directly to their second goal.

Unai always picks Konsa at RB & Carlos against the best teams, and has been proven right to do so.

Funny you criticised me for calling Mings "mongs" yet you called Konsa "Kinsa" shows how easy it is to make a typo. But unlike you I won't make up rubbish like you did yesterday and offered no apology.

Sorry. I can’t remember what I said but you’re welcome to an apology if you really want one.

[Percy McCarthy]

We’d potentially have conceded fewer goals with someone else playing instead of Carlos in the games where he should have been credited with assists for the opposition.

I agree and if the rumours were tru he would have been replaced last summer but FFP didn’t allow it to happen

Don't think  it was FFP; no one (notably Fulham) wanted to stump up the dosh for him.

Yes, same as every player we didn’t sell.

[Percy McCarthy]

Konsa has pretty well only been chosen this season when Cash has been injured, so whatever the stats do or don't say, Cash is still Unai's first choice when fit. Konsa was dreadful at right back yesterday, Carlos was awful at centre back, and one of his characteristic mistakes led directly to their second goal.

Unai always picks Konsa at RB & Carlos against the best teams, and has been proven right to do so.

Funny you criticised me for calling Mings "mongs" yet you called Konsa "Kinsa" shows how easy it is to make a typo. But unlike you I won't make up rubbish like you did yesterday and offered no apology.

[Percy McCarthy]

Konsa has pretty well only been chosen this season when Cash has been injured, so whatever the stats do or don't say, Cash is still Unai's first choice when fit. Konsa was dreadful at right back yesterday, Carlos was awful at centre back, and one of his characteristic mistakes led directly to their second goal.

Unai always picks Konsa at RB & Carlos against the best teams, and has been proven right to do so.

Funny you criticised me for calling Mings "mongs" yet you called Konsa "Kinsa" shows how easy it is to make a typo. But unlike you I won't make up rubbish like you did yesterday and offered no apology.

What the fuck are you on about?

[Percy McCarthy]

We’d potentially have conceded fewer goals with someone else playing instead of Carlos in the games where he should have been credited with assists for the opposition.

I agree. I’m under strict instructions not to fall out with you. 😉

That’s why I’m picking on that Demi Moore clown.

[Richard E]

We’d potentially have conceded fewer goals with someone else playing instead of Carlos in the games where he should have been credited with assists for the opposition.

I agree. I’m under strict instructions not to fall out with you. 😉

That’s why I’m picking on that Demi Moore clown.

Lol, as the young people say.

[Demitri_C]

Konsa has pretty well only been chosen this season when Cash has been injured, so whatever the stats do or don't say, Cash is still Unai's first choice when fit. Konsa was dreadful at right back yesterday, Carlos was awful at centre back, and one of his characteristic mistakes led directly to their second goal.

Unai always picks Konsa at RB & Carlos against the best teams, and has been proven right to do so.

Funny you criticised me for calling Mings "mongs" yet you called Konsa "Kinsa" shows how easy it is to make a typo. But unlike you I won't make up rubbish like you did yesterday and offered no apology.

What the fuck are you on about?

You very well know what im on about dont make out you dont know percy pig

Just ignore me and ill do same for me. Cant be asked with anymore of your games and nonsense

[ChicagoLion]

The issue for me is that we are limited in the RB position because Cash is not good enough and Konsa is non existent from an attacking perspective.

[Brend'Watkins]

Carlos was good yesterday even though I’d much prefer Mings there instead. Liverpool are the best in the league on the break and that’s the difference. Overall we played well given the opposition. Diaz wasn’t in the game as he was marshalled well by Konsa. Kelleher seemed to have more to do than Martinez their goals apart. How we weren’t given two pens I’ll never know. The Torres one was blatant, the shirt pulling on Ollie less so but that’s what VAR’s for or so I thought.

A shame for Ramsey because he was playing well before having to go off. He’s either unlucky or very injury prone.

[Demitri_C]

The issue for me is that we are limited in the RB position because Cash is not good enough and Konsa is non existent from an attacking perspective.

Yeah its a big problem

[Beard82]

I have only seen the highlights - the Ollie Watkins one looked pretty clearly a pen to me.  Does anyone have a link to the pau Torres incident as it’s not shown on the highlights

[brontebilly]

Konsa has pretty well only been chosen this season when Cash has been injured, so whatever the stats do or don't say, Cash is still Unai's first choice when fit. Konsa was dreadful at right back yesterday, Carlos was awful at centre back, and one of his characteristic mistakes led directly to their second goal.

Interestingly, Konsa played best last night when he was defending in the centre: at RB he looked a little lost, I thought: time to put him back where he belongs and use Cash or Nedeljkovic at RB (I'd like to see the latter get some games because when he has played he's defended well and can be an out-ball).

Aside from letting Salah have a free shot for the second goal and instead trying to do Martinez job for him. That was very odd, if Salah squares it for a tap in that wouldn't have been his problem. Konsa is quick and usually reads dangerous situations very well in the middle. He's much better on the ball in a central position too, he's horrid next to the sideline.

I get that we lack physicality at times when Konsa/Torres play together (they were doing fine v Solanke last week, mind) but we have no pace on the turn when Carlos/Torres do. Id be in favour of playing our best players in their best positions and that's Konsa at RCB.

[eamonn]

It was on MOTD, see the iplayer.  They felt neither calls were strong enough, I kind of agree. Saints were robbed more at Molineux.