Aston Villa v Liverpool - Post-Match Thread

[PaulWinch again]

Performance was a step up today, l’ll take that against the current best team in the league. We need a bit of a reset so perhaps, for once, the international break comes at a good time.

We said that at the last international break.

Yeah maybe, but anyone who watched the game yesterday I would hope would have seen the improvement in the underlying performance. Also given the quality of the opposition that’s a pretty good sign. Match that level and refine the attack and tighten the defence a bit, we’ll be fine.

[jwarry]

Bizarrely I’m still angry about that game this morning.  The previous three losses I could live with because we weren’t great but that felt like we were cheated out of a result albeit our poor finishing made it worse.  I am still at a loss why Tierney did not make Coote go and look at the monitor

[Demitri_C]

Bizarrely I’m still angry about that game this morning.  The previous three losses I could live with because we weren’t great but that felt like we were cheated out of a result albeit our poor finishing made it worse.  I am still at a loss why Tierney did not make Coote go and look at the monitor

Im not  angry about last night. More disappointed.  I was more angry with Brugges and Spurs performances but as you say the performance was improved but still making same mistakes.

Yeah the ref was poor but I think Bailey is a blatent  red. Had we gone to 10 we would have got battered so I don't think we have much ground to complain even if we should have had a penalty

[85kota]

Oh and Carlos is nowhere near good enough. The guy is a fucking chump. I don’t care if he was great at Arsenal last year or in any single match, he’s a clanger waiting to happen, he can’t be relied upon.

I realise people find it boring pointing this out, but the reason Emery picks the combination of defenders he picked today is because (without Mings obvs) it’s the combination that concedes the least goals. Argue against that fact. Nothing to do with a single game against Arsenal. Or Man City. Or Bayern Munich. Or Bologna. Or Arsenal again.

 It’s a bit much accusing someone who might stick up for Carlos of using an unrepresentative and small sample size, when actually, it’s the accuser who’s doing exactly that.

It would be more accurate to say ‘I don’t care if he’s played in over two-thirds of our clean sheets since the beginning of last season’ or ‘I don’t care if we concede more goals when Cash and Konsa play in their traditional positions’.

Truth matters a bit, surely? And maybe arguing with the points people make instead of making up shit ones because they’re easier to argue against.

Fewest goals.

[Percy McCarthy]

Oh and Carlos is nowhere near good enough. The guy is a fucking chump. I don’t care if he was great at Arsenal last year or in any single match, he’s a clanger waiting to happen, he can’t be relied upon.

I realise people find it boring pointing this out, but the reason Emery picks the combination of defenders he picked today is because (without Mings obvs) it’s the combination that concedes the fewest goals. Argue against that fact. Nothing to do with a single game against Arsenal. Or Man City. Or Bayern Munich. Or Bologna. Or Arsenal again.

 It’s a bit much accusing someone who might stick up for Carlos of using an unrepresentative and small sample size, when actually, it’s the accuser who’s doing exactly that.

It would be more accurate to say ‘I don’t care if he’s played in over two-thirds of our clean sheets since the beginning of last season’ or ‘I don’t care if we concede more goals when Cash and Konsa play in their traditional positions’.

Truth matters a bit, surely? And maybe arguing with the points people make instead of making up shit ones because they’re easier to argue against.

Fewest goals.

Thanks. Edited.

[Risso]

Konsa has pretty well only been chosen this season when Cash has been injured, so whatever the stats do or don't say, Cash is still Unai's first choice when fit. Konsa was dreadful at right back yesterday, Carlos was awful at centre back, and one of his characteristic mistakes led directly to their second goal.

[Rigadon]

I'm still pissed off with the Ref and VAR.  I know people don't like to blame the ref when we lose, but that was text book Anfield officiating.  2 clear penalties waved away.  You can play as well as you like but if you don't get what's right from the officials AND you're up against world class players like Salah, you're fucked. 

Of the media favourites, Liverpool is the club I least despise, so it's not bitterness to say that last night was shocking bias.  Also, TNT... my god.  Excruciating.  I had to turn the sound off at one point to protect my blood pressure! 

As for our performance, I thought we played pretty well, and certainly better than the past few games.  We needed to score the chances we made, but again didn't.  That always puts pressure on the defence.  So we weren't clinical or tight enough to allow for the clear and obvious chickening out of the officials.

 

[Richard E]

We’d potentially have conceded fewer goals with someone else playing instead of Carlos in the games where he should have been credited with assists for the opposition.

[Proposition Joe]

We haven't played well since...the 89th minute at Bournemouth. Palace we couldn't be arsed with, Spurs was a dreadful 2nd 45 and Bruges was tedious stuff.

It happens, not very often, which is why there's such drama from a small minority on here. Happens to the best. Happens to those that think they're the best too, the Lego haired wanker.

Indeed. Though the most annoying thing about today was how it was a throwback Villa performance from times when no matter how well we played versus one of the "big" clubs, we'd always find a way to lose.

[Clampy]

If we're in a crisis, then Man City must be too. Honestly, there  are some right old drama queens on here, it's embarrassing.

Encouraged by the better performance but I couldn't see us scoring but it will come. Hopefully the break will do us good.

[Percy McCarthy]

Konsa has pretty well only been chosen this season when Cash has been injured, so whatever the stats do or don't say, Cash is still Unai's first choice when fit. Konsa was dreadful at right back yesterday, Carlos was awful at centre back, and one of his characteristic mistakes led directly to their second goal.

Unai always picks Konsa at RB & Carlos against the best teams, and has been proven right to do so.

[Percy McCarthy]

We’d potentially have conceded fewer goals with someone else playing instead of Carlos in the games where he should have been credited with assists for the opposition.

Potentially. And yet we’ve definitely conceded more when he hasn’t played.

[Demitri_C]

Konsa has pretty well only been chosen this season when Cash has been injured, so whatever the stats do or don't say, Cash is still Unai's first choice when fit. Konsa was dreadful at right back yesterday, Carlos was awful at centre back, and one of his characteristic mistakes led directly to their second goal.

Unai always picks Kinsa at RB & Carlos against the best teams, and has been proven right to do so.

Funny you criticised me for calling Mings "mongs" yet you called Konsa "Kinsa" shows how easy it is to make a typo. But unlike you I won't make up rubbish like you did yesterday and offered no apology.

[jwarry]

We’d potentially have conceded fewer goals with someone else playing instead of Carlos in the games where he should have been credited with assists for the opposition.

I agree and if the rumours were tru he would have been replaced last summer but FFP didn’t allow it to happen

[Mister E]

Konsa has pretty well only been chosen this season when Cash has been injured, so whatever the stats do or don't say, Cash is still Unai's first choice when fit. Konsa was dreadful at right back yesterday, Carlos was awful at centre back, and one of his characteristic mistakes led directly to their second goal.

Interestingly, Konsa played best last night when he was defending in the centre: at RB he looked a little lost, I thought: time to put him back where he belongs and use Cash or Nedeljkovic at RB (I'd like to see the latter get some games because when he has played he's defended well and can be an out-ball).