Aston Villa v Bournemouth Post Match Thread.

[brontebilly]

This game and Ipswich away are the ones that really disappoint . More of this and you can forget top 4

We had a real problem in our right full back/right centre back area against Ipswich. Cost us the game that day against relegation fodder. Bournemouth are a decent team, far better than the Bologna team we beat without breaking sweat during the week.

[The Edge]

Cash was also covering the channel, though, wasn’t he? Either way, they shouldn’t have allowed so much space between them. Duran is watching the flight of the ball rather than the attacker, which is why he gets caught in no man’s land. Shame because, although it was a well-flighted ball, we didn’t make their striker work for the goal, and that may well have made the difference.

Having watched the highlights (the game seemed more even to me live than in the highlights package), we really threw it away with our wastefulness. Duran obviously for his sitter, but Ollie also had a couple of good chances and Rogers surely has to hit the target from his shot on the edge of the box.

It was 0-0 when Duran missed, so Barklay’s goal makes that irrelevant. Same with the ball going/not going out in reality.

You can’t just ignore everything that happens before a goal though. If we’re wasteful in front of goal over 90 minutes, only score once and don’t win, our missed chances are definitely relevant.

Maybe an early goal (McGinn’s for example) might have relaxed us and led to us having more space to score a second.  But the principle of a goal changing the game still applies. Barklay’s goal just led to panic, and there’s no reason to believe that Duran’s chance, had it gone in about a minute earlier, wouldn’t have led to the same. One thing is for sure - if he’d have scored and there had been a kick-off instead of a goal-kick, the circumstances leading to Barklay’s goal definitely wouldn’t have occurred.

I'm not convinced that the ball was out when Ollie pulled it back for McGinn. The only tv angle they showed wasn't conclusive at all.

[astonvilla82]

Disappointed with the goal, so so easy, Bournemouth were nothing special and thought Real Madrid and Everton give us a harder game

[OCD]

As good as we are at the moment we won't actually win anything until we can be more clinical with the amount of chances we create.

Reflected in our goal difference compared to the sides around us.

[olaftab]

I'm not convinced that the ball was out when Ollie pulled it back for McGinn. The only tv angle they showed wasn't conclusive at all.

It was out however it was not given out by on field official so it should have stood because it's not VAR's job or within it's technical capability, such as a view from top, to make a decision. 

[Percy McCarthy]

Saw a real close close-up on twitter and judging by that, if that was out it was a funny shaped ball.

And yes, VAR either shouldn’t have got involved or said assistant ref’s call.

Shame, it was a great finish by SJM.

[Percy McCarthy]

https://x.com/justin_avfc_/status/1850183477787807850?s=46&t=GdM6cpVxe5IloByNCRheWA

[eamonn]

I dunno...we'd all be saying it was clearly out if it had been Bournemouth. We fucked-up yesterday, no one to blame but ourselves.

I hope Dave Bath's kids will still come back, at least they know what following Villa is all about after seeing us win one and then villa-fy another game a few days later.

[Monty]

Yeah it looks clearly, if just, out to me. Thought so immediately at the time.

[Somniloquism]

Saw a real close close-up on twitter and judging by that, if that was out it was a funny shaped ball.

And yes, VAR either shouldn’t have got involved or said assistant ref’s call.

Shame, it was a great finish by SJM.

The distortion at the side of the ball is the digital artefact's from zooming in on the picture. As there is green showing I will accept that as the predominant colour and the ball is out. We just need consistency. Shame our cameras are so close to the by-line unlike Newcastle's. Any angle on the picture and they wouldn't be able to judge.

And not sure why you think VAR shouldn't get involved on an absolute rather then a subjective decision.

[Percy McCarthy]

Yeah it looks clearly, if just, out to me. Thought so immediately at the time.

Can you see the different shape of the ball on one side to the other? Or is it one of my eyes?

[Monty]

Yeah it looks clearly, if just, out to me. Thought so immediately at the time.

Can you see the different shape of the ball on one side to the other? Or is it one of my eyes?

I did think the shape was a tad odd and who knows what's causing it, but I'm looking side-on and can see green between the ball and the line.

[Percy McCarthy]

Saw a real close close-up on twitter and judging by that, if that was out it was a funny shaped ball.

And yes, VAR either shouldn’t have got involved or said assistant ref’s call.

Shame, it was a great finish by SJM.

The distortion at the side of the ball is the digital artefact's from zooming in on the picture. As there is green showing I will accept that as the predominant colour and the ball is out. We just need consistency. Shame our cameras are so close to the by-line unlike Newcastle's. Any angle on the picture and they wouldn't be able to judge.

And not sure why you think VAR shouldn't get involved on an absolute rather then a subjective decision.

Well, the goal-line technology is not set up for anything outside the posts, which was the excuse for the Arsenal one last season against the Jaudis.

[VillaTim]

Yeah it looks clearly, if just, out to me. Thought so immediately at the time.

it looked out to me in real time hence i didn't do a lap round the living room frightening the other occupants

[Russ aka Big Nose]

Does anyone know what the precise rule is re when VAR can intervene?

The decision from the match officials was that Watkins kept the ball in and that McGinn scored. Then it is claimed that VAR overruled because of 'factual evidence'.

Though if it is not Hawkeye or other technology, then is it 'factual' or simply the VAR official offering an opinion?

That strikes me as the VAR stepping beyond their remit and making decisions for the match officials. UTV