Winter 2025 Transfer Window - hopes, speculation, rumours etc.

[Demitri_C]

RB and another attacking wide option. Philogean is nowhere near ready this season to be a serious option

I understand why people think we need an attacking player, but we have Rogers that can play there, whereas we have Cash and Konsa filling in.
It is more likely we will be working on Bailey and Philogene than replacing them because of PSR, unless we sell Bailey.

Our summer  business is now coming under the microscope for me. As much as i like maatsen why did we spend 30m on him and he cant get a start when we could have used the 30m on a right back that we needed more or replaced diaby. We signed two players from juventus who are not with us maybe for for the future or sell on for FFP. But we havent really strengthed the team much since last year. I had my reservations that we were weaker than last year and i was hoping i would be wrong. But early signs are mot looking good.

I would sell buendia but we are making no profit on him so that wont help much.  Cash is another i would let go if a  good offer comes in. Other than that looking around cant see many players we would sell and make a profit on. Only duran i could see making big money on but would we sell now? Cant see it myself. Id personally sell at 80m if that sort of offer came in

[aj2k77]

You can't see many players we could sell and make a profit on? I think you need to think a little harder.

[Demitri_C]

You can't see many players we could sell and make a profit on? I think you need to think a little harder.

Those players we wouldnt sell. We are not going to sell kamara konsa youri watkins martinez or pau.these are key players.

Who else could we sell for  major profit than that? Maybe mcginn or ramsey?

[aj2k77]

McGinn, Duran, Ramsey, Rogers, Carlos, Cash, Mings. We would make profit on all of those. Basically everyone around the first team. It's the same problem for everyone in the league. Take away selling youngsters and selling a first teamer and replacing him for profit without making yourself weaker on paper is near impossible. It's the evolution of the team that matters, altering the shape and style to suit what you then have. Take Notts Forest, when they sold Johnson and replaced him with Elanga they wouldn't expect to find themselves 3rd in the league 12 months later.

Our transfers have been by and large very good. Dealing with FFP is difficult, it's a hard ceiling for teams without massive turnovers.

[Dave]

McGinn, Duran, Ramsey, Rogers, Carlos, Cash, Mings. We would make profit on all of those.

There is absolutely no chance we're making a profit on Carlos or Mings.

[tomd2103]

Sky said we had a net spend of 70m which is peanuts compared to the other teams. We need to break bank and get mbeulo in. He is exactly what we need and a massive step up from philogene

There was a graphic on SKY last week after ten Hag got sacked showing teams who had spent the most during his time at Manchester United.  We weren't even in the top 10. 

[eamonn]

Sky said we had a net spend of 70m which is peanuts compared to the other teams. We need to break bank and get mbeulo in. He is exactly what we need and a massive step up from philogene

I thought we broke-even, more or less in the summer.

[Demitri_C]

McGinn, Duran, Ramsey, Rogers, Carlos, Cash, Mings. We would make profit on all of those. Basically everyone around the first team. It's the same problem for everyone in the league. Take away selling youngsters and selling a first teamer and replacing him for profit without making yourself weaker on paper is near impossible. It's the evolution of the team that matters, altering the shape and style to suit what you then have. Take Notts Forest, when they sold Johnson and replaced him with Elanga they wouldn't expect to find themselves 3rd in the league 12 months later.

Our transfers have been by and large very good. Dealing with FFP is difficult, it's a hard ceiling for teams without massive turnovers.

As dave said we are not making a profit on carlos and mings. Those will be losses.

We are not selling rogers not a chance. JJ looks the likley one out of the bunch.  I would consider mcginn but 20-30m we may get at most

[Demitri_C]

Sky said we had a net spend of 70m which is peanuts compared to the other teams. We need to break bank and get mbeulo in. He is exactly what we need and a massive step up from philogene

I thought we broke-even, more or less in the summer.

This is what im thinking we cant be in a FFP mess anymore so we can start spending on some real quality

[Chico Hamilton III]

Sky said we had a net spend of 70m which is peanuts compared to the other teams. We need to break bank and get mbeulo in. He is exactly what we need and a massive step up from philogene

I thought we broke-even, more or less in the summer.

My understanding - for what it’s worth - is that we would have broke even if the £40m sale of Duran to a West Ham had gone ahead. I’m probably wrong.

[Smithy]

McGinn, Duran, Ramsey, Rogers, Carlos, Cash, Mings. We would make profit on all of those.

There is absolutely no chance we're making a profit on Carlos or Mings.

You're forgetting how PSR works.  Tyrone signed in 2019, five years ago, and his transfer value is now fully amortised.  That means that even if we sold him for a fiver, it's pure profit.  Whatever money we get in for him today, is pure profit in PSR terms.

With Carlos, he's now halfway through his contract with us, and having signed for £26m, that means anything above £13m-ish is going to be profit.  We might not get £13m, admittedly, but we certainly don't need to get the £26-30m we paid for him for any sale to be "profitable".

[Demitri_C]

McGinn, Duran, Ramsey, Rogers, Carlos, Cash, Mings. We would make profit on all of those.

There is absolutely no chance we're making a profit on Carlos or Mings.

You're forgetting how PSR works.  Tyrone signed in 2019, five years ago, and his transfer value is now fully amortised.  That means that even if we sold him for a fiver, it's pure profit.  Whatever money we get in for him today, is pure profit in PSR terms.

With Carlos, he's now halfway through his contract with us, and having signed for £26m, that means anything above £13m-ish is going to be profit.  We might not get £13m, admittedly, but we certainly don't need to get the £26-30m we paid for him for any sale to be "profitable".

Thanks smithy i was not aware with that regarding mings.  So after how long does jt become  amortised? 5 years ? Or is once they have completed their contract term?

[Clark W Griswold]

We need to improve the right hand side of the team throughout, Konsa is the only one really playing well on that side of the pitch although i'm quite sure McGinn's drop off is temporary. Maybe he could do with a bit of rest time, which bringing in more quality in that area will allow. Ned is a good one for the future, Cash is a good squad player,  Carlos is very inconsistant, Jaden doesn't convince really so far and Bailey is the biggest worry of all.

[Smithy]

McGinn, Duran, Ramsey, Rogers, Carlos, Cash, Mings. We would make profit on all of those.

There is absolutely no chance we're making a profit on Carlos or Mings.

You're forgetting how PSR works.  Tyrone signed in 2019, five years ago, and his transfer value is now fully amortised.  That means that even if we sold him for a fiver, it's pure profit.  Whatever money we get in for him today, is pure profit in PSR terms.

With Carlos, he's now halfway through his contract with us, and having signed for £26m, that means anything above £13m-ish is going to be profit.  We might not get £13m, admittedly, but we certainly don't need to get the £26-30m we paid for him for any sale to be "profitable".

Thanks smithy i was not aware with that regarding mings.  So after how long does jt become  amortised? 5 years ? Or is once they have completed their contract term?

It's the length of the initial contract, to a maximum of 5 years.  It used to be longer, but they closed that loophole last year to stop Chelsea signing players on 7+ year contracts to help them with PSR in the short term.

Basically any of the players with us when we came up, or bought in our first year or so in the premier league, are now basically all profit if sold.  That includes Tyrone, McGinn, Ezri, plus Ollie and Emi (by the next summer window).  I'm not for one moment suggesting we SHOULD sell any of these - just that in terms of PSR, all of them now have a decent profit value if we NEED to sell them.

[Demitri_C]

McGinn, Duran, Ramsey, Rogers, Carlos, Cash, Mings. We would make profit on all of those.

There is absolutely no chance we're making a profit on Carlos or Mings.

You're forgetting how PSR works.  Tyrone signed in 2019, five years ago, and his transfer value is now fully amortised.  That means that even if we sold him for a fiver, it's pure profit.  Whatever money we get in for him today, is pure profit in PSR terms.

With Carlos, he's now halfway through his contract with us, and having signed for £26m, that means anything above £13m-ish is going to be profit.  We might not get £13m, admittedly, but we certainly don't need to get the £26-30m we paid for him for any sale to be "profitable".

Thanks smithy i was not aware with that regarding mings.  So after how long does jt become  amortised? 5 years ? Or is once they have completed their contract term?

It's the length of the initial contract, to a maximum of 5 years.  It used to be longer, but they closed that loophole last year to stop Chelsea signing players on 7+ year contracts to help them with PSR in the short term.

Basically any of the players with us when we came up, or bought in our first year or so in the premier league, are now basically all profit if sold.  That includes Tyrone, McGinn, Ezri, plus Ollie and Emi (by the next summer window).  I'm not for one moment suggesting we SHOULD sell any of these - just that in terms of PSR, all of them now have a decent profit value if we NEED to sell them.

Wow did not know that rule smirker about before we came up. Thats pretty good then if your a new team coming up e.g ipswich

Dont think we would get much for mings though a si think he is 31 now

Mcginn would be one we might look at if his form doesnt improve.  But it does seem he is being played out of position