West Ham United vs Aston Villa Match

[cdbearsfan]

This new VAR initiative is going to make this even more farcical.  It’s adding subjectivity to an already subjective farce. Either you use the fucking video or you don’t.  ******.

I don't mind the new tweak to the rules so long as they stick with it and don't bottle it depending on which team it affects. The penalty decision doesn't seem to be clear cut as you even have Villa fans arguing about it, so on that basis stick with the original penalty award. We will see if they stick with a borderline on-field decision that goes against Man United at Old Trafford.

[brontebilly]

Soucek bought that pen by leaving his leg in, I think it's as simple as that and exactly the type of thing that VAR should be overturning because the referee couldn't have had a clear view of the incident. Also, why didn't VAR at least tell him to have a look  at it on the monitor?

The kind of foul/penalty Grealish used buy regularly. Leave the leg in to try and force contact. Don't get me wrong Cash is often Matty Rash but he was wronged there.

[Martyn Smith]

This new VAR initiative is going to make this even more farcical.  It’s adding subjectivity to an already subjective farce. Either you use the fucking video or you don’t.  ******. 

Sounds like they are trying to please everybody. And you know what that leads to...

[MalcolmP]

Cash's touch changed the direction of the ball and then he took the Spam player down, no penalty for me. If they give that, then they have to give the pen on McGinn too.

Other than the period right after the goal thought we were far the better team and should be well in front. I think we can still win, but the officials are providing a sterner challenge than WH.

VAR explanation, Mcginn had contact but not enough, Cash made contact with ball but not enough. You couldn't make it up, unless you are on VAR duty

[Bad English]

I see Saka scored. Wasn't he at the Euros with Ollie?

[itbrvilla]

I think it was a poor pen decision.  He got something on the ball - which normally is enough to mean that its not a pen.  I guess the key thing here is - this sets a precedent.  So long as we see this consistently then I have less of an issue.  i.e. only overturn the ref decision if it was objectively wrong not subjectively wrong.https://www.facebook.com/avfcofficial/videos/2010-aston-villa-1-0-birmingham-city/1880175992192524/

[Beard82]

I think it feels a little pre-season.  Ollie and rogers seem a little rusty.  Lets see what the subs can do

[PeterWithesShin]

Bailey down.

[itbrvilla]

How is Cash's pen any different to this? We were saying it was the right decision at the time.

https://www.facebook.com/avfcofficial/videos/2010-aston-villa-1-0-birmingham-city/1880175992192524/

[Martyn Smith]

Hmmm, not won away here* for 13 years

*not here, obviously. It was at that proper ground that West Ham once had...

[devilla]

First thing Cash does is give the ball away.

[Monty]

Learning from the commentary that Antonio Zaniolo scored for us here last year, interesting.

[Mellin]

Had Cash’s toe poke gone for a corner it would have been a non decision. A farce.

It didn't though. His toe stroked it and didn't dispose the player, followed by Cash taking him out. Anyone remember Milner being fouled against Blues? Similar incident.

If you get a foot on the ball you can take the man out, ie. every half decent sliding tackle ever. Just because it's clumsy doesn't make it a foul. If you win the ball first it's not a foul.

It's blatantly not a penalty. I'm surprised by the reaction in here tbh.

That has never been the case ever. The decision is normally based on whether the ball is knocked away from the attackers control on whether a sliding challenge touching the ball first, then taking out the player is a pen or not.

I do think todays is less of a pen then some, but I also see that Soucek was winning the ball back before Cash and then there is the clash of legs which he goes down for. I think the Ref called it as he didn't see the touch first, and VAR sided with him still on review.

Hence use of the word win and not touch.

If he hasn't seen it, he needs to be corrected on not seeing the touch first. That is the point of VAR.

[villadelph]

This ref is bad.

[andyh]

The McGinn none penalty ……wasn’t the harry Kane pen in the euros exactly the same?