West Ham v Aston Villa post match

[Brend'Watkins]

I've heard and even read some ridiculous reasons for why the pen wasn't given for Bailey's flick onto the defender's arm.  The one regarding 'he wasn't playing the ball but pointing at something or other' being the most.  So pointing at something and the ball hits your outstretched arm isn't a deliberate hand ball? He can carry out the pointing function but not pull his arm into his side to help prevent a hand ball? The proximity of Bailey's flick has nothing to do with it.  His arm's outstretched and it's the most hand ball and pen of pens you will likely see. Christ knows what the ref was thinking.

[Brazilian Villain]

Whatever Bailey's intention, a handball for me.

Same here. It would be different if he'd flicked it to no one in particular, but it was heading towards the six-yard box.

[Gareth]

Re the Bailey pen….i can understand the excuse for not giving it being that he was too close but according to Dermot Gallagher it was a natual arm position because he was pointing for a team mate…what a load of nonsense, his arm is out to make him a bigger target to get past

[LeeB]

I've heard and even read some ridiculous reasons for why the pen wasn't given for Bailey's flick onto the defender's arm.  The one regarding 'he wasn't playing the ball but pointing at something or other' being the most.  So pointing at something and the ball hits your outstretched arm isn't a deliberate hand ball? He can carry out the pointing function but not pull his arm into his side to help prevent a hand ball? The proximity of Bailey's flick has nothing to do with it.  His arm's outstretched and it's the most hand ball and pen of pens you will likely see. Christ knows what the ref was thinking.

The proximity one makes me laugh, like if a striker tries to turn the ball in on the six yard line and you fly across to palm it away that's ok because it was close?

[Monty]

All players can be upgraded, but Cash in a back four has been a big part of our success, and most of the times he's been less than stellar have been where Emery has messed arund with the formation. I'd say Moreno, Tielemans, Diaby, Lenglet, Zaniolo, and Carlos have all had more disappointing seasons and contributed less, for a variety of reasons.

Agree with that list of players more disappointing than Cash overall, but his poorer performances absolutely have not just been down to the formation. His struggles with stepping up to hold the offside line have all been, naturally, while playing in his favoured role.

[LeeB]

All players can be upgraded, but Cash in a back four has been a big part of our success, and most of the times he's been less than stellar have been where Emery has messed arund with the formation. I'd say Moreno, Tielemans, Diaby, Lenglet, Zaniolo, and Carlos have all had more disappointing seasons and contributed less, for a variety of reasons.

Agree with that list of players more disappointing than Cash overall, but his poorer performances absolutely have not just been down to the formation. His struggles with stepping up to hold the offside line have all been, naturally, while playing in his favoured role.

I love him but he was shocking in both the Chelsea and Newcastle home defeats quite recently.

[Brend'Watkins]

Cash performed well yesterday and is an integral part of the squad.  Can we improve on his position with a better standard of player? Too right we can and it's one area of the squad we need to look at. I'd still keep him mind>

[baddowvillans]

Did Leon intentionally play it onto the defender's arm to try and win the penalty? I'm not saying that negates the shout for it, just that it didn't look like a great pass regardless of the contact.

Without doubt, which brings into question the arm to ball argument.
Although i have no idea what constitutes a penalty decision these days, its random.

On this subject, I keep hearing them go on about deliberate handball for their second disallowed goal, I thought the law was, if the ball touches the part of  hand /arm in the build up to  a goal its  is handball regardless of intent.

Or have they changed it again?

I'd have been angry if that handball had been given against us to be honest.  His arm was already in that position, he didn't move towards the ball and was quite close. 

I think those considerations should be some kind of benchmark for decisions going forward.  Had his arm or body moved after Bailey had flicked the ball up then definitely a pen.

But you just know if Cash or Konsa stood with their arm out and ball hits it from a Man U, Liverpool, City, Arsenal cross that's a penalty. 

[VillaTim]

Be good to hear the VAR room and why they didn't give the Pen ?

[LeeB]

Be good to hear the VAR room and why they didn't give the Pen ?

That was the ref's call and he'd seen it, they're not going to overturn it, like if he'd given it they wouldn't have gone against that either.

[VillaTim]

Be good to hear the VAR room and why they didn't give the Pen ?

That was the ref's call and he'd seen it, they're not going to overturn it, like if he'd given it they wouldn't have gone against that either.

Ah yeah , keep forgetting the process they follow.

[olaftab]

I noticed that the rest of the team barely celebrated with him

Martyn, there is no conspiracy theory potential here, the rest of the team didn't really want to have extended celebrations as their mindset to go again and get a winner.

[olaftab]

I love him but he was shocking in both the Chelsea and Newcastle home defeats quite recently.

And that placed lot of pressure on Moreno who had to be equally shocking to maintain balance

[john e]

I love him but he was shocking in both the Chelsea and Newcastle home defeats quite recently.

And that placed lot of pressure on Moreno who had to be equally shocking to maintain balance

Who did step up to the plate in that regard mind

[SoccerHQ]

I think he suffers more from "noted" deficiencies. He's one of those whose mistakes are highlighted, while others - Luiz say - are under a less critical microscope. I don't even think it's personal, just a weird football thing.

Luiz is better than Cash.

Luiz still has his off nights. Him v Everton in the league cup was probably his worst game for us in three years so when he's off it the whole team dips compared to Cash.

Chambers in Warsaw remains the most horrific full back performance I've seen from one of ours since the dark times of the 2010s so while Cashy has his off days he's come nowhere near to that level of inteptness this season or last.