West Ham v Aston Villa post match

[Pete3206]

Whatever Bailey's intention, a handball for me.

[lovejoy]

Did Leon intentionally play it onto the defender's arm to try and win the penalty? I'm not saying that negates the shout for it, just that it didn't look like a great pass regardless of the contact.

Without doubt, which brings into question the arm to ball argument.
Although i have no idea what constitutes a penalty decision these days, its random.

On this subject, I keep hearing them go on about deliberate handball for their second disallowed goal, I thought the law was, if the ball touches the part of  hand /arm in the build up to  a goal its  is handball regardless of intent.

Or have they changed it again?

I think its handball if it hits the goals scorers hand in the act of scoring (accidentally or not), if it accidentally hits a players hand then someone else scores it is ok.

[tomd2103]

Did Leon intentionally play it onto the defender's arm to try and win the penalty? I'm not saying that negates the shout for it, just that it didn't look like a great pass regardless of the contact.

Without doubt, which brings into question the arm to ball argument.
Although i have no idea what constitutes a penalty decision these days, its random.

On this subject, I keep hearing them go on about deliberate handball for their second disallowed goal, I thought the law was, if the ball touches the part of  hand /arm in the build up to  a goal its  is handball regardless of intent.

Or have they changed it again?

I'd have been angry if that handball had been given against us to be honest.  His arm was already in that position, he didn't move towards the ball and was quite close. 

I think those considerations should be some kind of benchmark for decisions going forward.  Had his arm or body moved after Bailey had flicked the ball up then definitely a pen.

[VILLA MOLE]

I thought he was trying to dink it through to Konsa who had come into the box

[Villa Lew]

All the palaver about the disallowed goal, could have been avoided if Dougie hadn't given away a needless free kick, I love the bloke, but the one thing I don't like is the number of needless free kicks he gives away in dangerous areas, in a season.

[SoccerHQ]

Cash had a really good game yesterday. If he could add consistency to his game he'd be great.

When he's played as a right back in a back 4 he's consistently good.

He's consistently...iffy. He struggles to move the ball into midfield, he tends to hold it for too long, concedes a lot of needless throw-ins, and is very often the one failing to step up to make the offside trap.

Believe it or not but most other RBs in world football do this. Do Arsenal or Man. City RBs never concede throw ins? Not sure what the definition of needless is here really?

Not stepping up for offside can happen for anyone. Pau moved into space yesterday to try to cut out the cross but he misread the flight and it just sailed over him onto Antonio's head so that's a world class defender just mis-reading a situation, it happens.

Cash is alright. Might not be good enough for CL next year but generally he's served us very well over last four years and been a regular part of some very solid defensive units.

He's proven himself so bit bemusing the amount of stick he gets.

[SoccerHQ]

Did Leon intentionally play it onto the defender's arm to try and win the penalty? I'm not saying that negates the shout for it, just that it didn't look like a great pass regardless of the contact.

It looked that way , a little flick up not sure what else that pass was meant for .

Konsa had made a run into the box so it was a chipped pass going to him.

I thought it was a penalty and very surprised it didn't go to the screen. West Ham conceded a similar one two weeks ago when Zouma handled at Everton from a similar distance.

[Ads]

If its a deliberate handball, which it clearly was (he's trying to Jay Rodriguez the ball over the line) then you disallow it regardless of where else it goes before it pops in during that phase.

Both decisions were clear and correct.

[Monty]

Cash had a really good game yesterday. If he could add consistency to his game he'd be great.

When he's played as a right back in a back 4 he's consistently good.

He's consistently...iffy. He struggles to move the ball into midfield, he tends to hold it for too long, concedes a lot of needless throw-ins, and is very often the one failing to step up to make the offside trap.

Believe it or not but most other RBs in world football do this. Do Arsenal or Man. City RBs never concede throw ins? Not sure what the definition of needless is here really?

Not stepping up for offside can happen for anyone. Pau moved into space yesterday to try to cut out the cross but he misread the flight and it just sailed over him onto Antonio's head so that's a world class defender just mis-reading a situation, it happens.

Cash is alright. Might not be good enough for CL next year but generally he's served us very well over last four years and been a regular part of some very solid defensive units.

He's proven himself so bit bemusing the amount of stick he gets.

Needless because if he were technically better he could get out of the situations he finds himself in. I like him, I think he's absolutely fine, and his passion and hard work aren't just endearing but point-winning (i.e. that massive block late on), but he does have some notable deficiencies.

[Simon Page]

I think he suffers more from "noted" deficiencies. He's one of those whose mistakes are highlighted, while others - Luiz say - are under a less critical microscope. I don't even think it's personal, just a weird football thing.

[Monty]

I think he suffers more from "noted" deficiencies. He's one of those whose mistakes are highlighted, while others - Luiz say - are under a less critical microscope. I don't even think it's personal, just a weird football thing.

Luiz is better than Cash.

[Simon Page]

Just coming up to one.

It was a comparison of treatment, not ability.

[Somniloquism]

Did Leon intentionally play it onto the defender's arm to try and win the penalty? I'm not saying that negates the shout for it, just that it didn't look like a great pass regardless of the contact.

It looked that way , a little flick up not sure what else that pass was meant for .

Konsa had made a run into the box so it was a chipped pass going to him.

I thought it was a penalty and very surprised it didn't go to the screen. West Ham conceded a similar one two weeks ago when Zouma handled at Everton from a similar distance.

It didn't go to screen because the Ref would have told VAR he had seen it and didn't judge it as deliberate (Ball-2-hand, not hand-2-ball). IF he hadn't have seen it at all or said it came off the defenders chest, then VAR could have picked up the clear and obvious error.

[Monty]

Just coming up to one.

It was a comparison of treatment, not ability.

We do like our scapegoats a bit, probably a football fan thing as you say. Everyone has that one player they love to single out whenever anything goes wrong whether it was their fault or not.

[Risso]

All players can be upgraded, but Cash in a back four has been a big part of our success, and most of the times he's been less than stellar have been where Emery has messed arund with the formation. I'd say Moreno, Tielemans, Diaby, Lenglet, Zaniolo, and Carlos have all had more disappointing seasons and contributed less, for a variety of reasons.