West Ham v Aston Villa post match

[Tayls_7]

Let's be honest we would have been fuming if either of those two VAR goals had been given against us but that's the rule. With all the furore about the handball for the second one, they missed Soucek pulling back Konsa. Looking back Martinez was awful for the first and maybe should be coming for the second too. None of our three centre backs looked like winning a header all game. Granted it's where WHU are strong but teams are exposing us a lot now at set pieces.

 Bailey's one was a penalty too, the defender was an idiot with his arm outstretched like that.

Yeah watching MOTD2 last night they looked at it and said his arm was in a "natural position" What?

He was actually pointing to the defender behind him where to cover as that's where he anticipated the ball being played. Indeed it was but he had his arm in the fucking way!

[Somniloquism]

It was hand ball pure and simple. The West Ham luvvies on Talk Shite didn't agree. They think that because the checks took so long it wasn't a clear and obvious error. Apparently VAR and match officials are following orders off the Premier league to stop Wet Spam catching Man Yoo. The female presenter was also convinced that Jeff Stelling had it in for them. Jeez they're a paranoid lot.

I thought it was Soucek who had scored it which is why I was confused it took so long. I expect the VAR operative saw the handball and were trying to confirm if it hit Bowen before goal or not. Once they deduced it had, the Ref was then needed as VAR couldn't call a non-scoring handball themselves. As was mentioned, the foul on Konsa didn't seem to be counted, maybe the ref would have been shown that as well as the handball?

[Somniloquism]

He was actually pointing to the defender behind him where to cover as that's where he anticipated the ball being played. Indeed it was but he had his arm in the fucking way!

He was pointing that Konsa was running through. If the arm had moved after ball was played, it would be no contest but handball is not a call, deliberate handball is and ref didn't think it was.

It is an offence if a player:

• deliberately touches the ball with their hand/arm, for example moving the hand/arm towards the ball
• touches the ball with their hand/arm when it has made their body unnaturally bigger.

A player is considered to have made their body unnaturally bigger when the position of their hand/arm is not a consequence of, or justifiable by, the player’s body movement for that specific situation. By having their hand/arm in such a position, the player takes a risk of their hand/arm being hit by the ball and being penalised

Point one doesn't take affect as he didn't move it towards the ball as it was in that position before the ball was struck.

Obviously the ref justified that the arm being out was justifiable in the situation as he was pointing out the runner. If he hadn't have pointed with it then it might have been given as well. But as the law states, it is a risk and he took it and won this time around. A different ref on a different day.........

[darren woolley]

I'll take a point it was hard work.

[Monty]

If we'd be fuming for those goals to be ruled out we'd be idiots. Antonio straightforwardly elbows it in, while Soucek gives the thing a forearm smash Kendo Nagasaki would have been proud of. It's the first time the law as it stands actually made sense to me - you can't have goals being scored with your hands.

[Chico Hamilton III]

Anyway, that's one of worst away visits over for another season. Why is the trudge back to Stratford always twice as long as the trudge there? And the stadium and whole area around it is so sucked of soul and atmosphere...

Noticed yesterday - and every time we’ve played there - a fair few empty seats all around the stadium.

[aj2k77]

Moyes' reasoning was that they've had some handballs go against them recently so these should be over-looked to more or less even it up......

It was 2 handballs for fucks sake.

Can everyone else have three ACL's next season to even things up for us.

[RamboandBruno]

Went down to this one and can confirm the souless bowl experience many have talked about before. Was in the upper tier which was marginally better than below.

Anyway great day out nonetheless but jaded today.
I thought we dominated possession for the first twenty without creating anything, then allowed them back in the game through our want to keep giving them ball. Thought Cash for Lenglet and Diaby for Dhuran needed to happen and that’s exactly what did and it changed the game. I thought we totally dominated the second half and it would of been a travesty if we’d lost, saying that the VAR call being so late, almost made it feel like a win.

There very agricultural and it must be a horrible soul destroying experience watching that football in that stadium every other week. Still their seventh and with 3 out of 4 of our starting midfield out, I think its a good point.

[LeeB]

They can fuck off anyway, the penalty they got down there last season was a joke and robbed us of two points.

[aj2k77]

Bowen would be good at the Villa. He's wasted being the ammo loader for a load of corners for their bunch of Fellaini's to throw themselves at.

[Villan82]

Went down to this one and can confirm the souless bowl experience many have talked about before. Was in the upper tier which was marginally better than below.

Indeed, hope people realise the grass is not always greener.

[LeeB]

Bowen would be good at the Villa. He's wasted being the ammo loader for a load of corners for their bunch of Fellaini's to throw themselves at.

They're exactly the same team Everton were under him 15 years ago, aren't they? No wonder a lot of their fans have had enough, I don't blame them.

[Monty]

It's what you get if you have all that attacking talent and you choose to play load-the-cannons football. Your best idea is 'cause chaos', well the chaos cuts both ways mate.

Also both 'goals' should've been ruled out for absolutely massive fouls anyway, so Christ knows what they're moaning about, the absolute melters.

[john e]

i didnt complain about the line up yesterday because it showed adventure and i could see Unai was looking to nulify the physical and height threat from WH
however it didnt work so he changed it

for the life of me i cant see why he persists on playing Konsa at RB, it very rarely works Konsa is a fish out of water, all this he keeps his posision and doesnt get forward which provides more stability is just rubbish because he's not good enough or flexible enough to play there, so the goals go in against us and then we have to change it
i know its worked on occasion but its pretty obvious it weakens us as a team

also the stick Cash gets on here is ridiculous in my opinion it actually reminds me of the criticism Mcginn used to get, yes he makes mistakes and has the odd bad game which people love pointing out and piling on but like yesterday he can make the difference, and even when he's not on it he's still better than Konsa playing there

Moreno is a worry, doesnt seem to be able to get past his man anymore and get a cross in nearly every ball blocked, he was first choice but now Digne is the better player of the 2 on form at the moment

Rogers, i've said before a few nice touches but looks to me like a mid table plodder and i still dont get the reason we signed him but will look forward to be proved wrong

Zaniololiol he doesnt hide makes a few mistakes gets booked but has also got us out of trouble on at least 2 occasions, i like his energy and positivity when he comes on, offers more than Rogers at the moment

happy to end up with a point in the end at WH which i thought was the fair result

[pablo_picasso]

It was hand ball pure and simple. The West Ham luvvies on Talk Shite didn't agree. They think that because the checks took so long it wasn't a clear and obvious error. Apparently VAR and match officials are following orders off the Premier league to stop Wet Spam catching Man Yoo. The female presenter was also convinced that Jeff Stelling had it in for them. Jeez they're a paranoid lot.

If the female presenter was Bianca Westwood, then shes probably correct about Stelling.

You could tell that he didn't like her. And she didn't appear to like him either. So six of one, half a dozen of the other.

And despite the London media love-in for West Ham, including West Ham fan Westwood, the big decisions were correct except for the pen.