Aston Villa vs Spurs post match embarrassment

[Risso]

I think Emery will go again with the same format against West Ham
If he does It will be a very boring game and we might come away with a point at best

He's have to be an absolute fucking idiot to ever try that formation again.

[brontebilly]

This is truly pathetic from Zaniolo and Moreno. Both need an absolute rocket up them at Emery's video debrief today. Unacceptable.

https://x.com/avfc_stef/status/1766943737727324560?s=20

That's piss poor from both of them.

Follow the clip on and watch Luiz pathetic effort to close the space on in front of the defence. If he properly commits to getting back he doesn't make that cut back so easy. I've great time for Luiz, thought he was best player on pitch in first half, but he's more of a follower than a leader when things go against us. Without Kamara and now McGinn, I'd worry he will go back coasting along in midfield. He was a bit half arsed at Ajax during the week.

Agreed on post game comments being a bit harsh on both Zaniolo and Diaby. The game was done when they came on really. Zaniolo ain't a winger either but he did actually have a couple of chances when he came on. Diaby got lots of ball but did precious little with it.

If we are calling out individuals then start with Konsa and McGinn.

[Rigadon]

Zaniolo is never going to come good is he.  He's just not that good. 

[VILLA MOLE]

We were very passive all over the pitch , the only one who showed any endeavour and fight was McGinn and he over did it

Lots of players went missing yesterday,  not fighting or wanting the ball 

[john e]

I think Emery will go again with the same format against West Ham
If he does It will be a very boring game and we might come away with a point at best

He's have to be an absolute fucking idiot to ever try that formation again.

I bet you he goes with the same back 5 again at West Ham
The excuse will be a containment job because of all the injuries and suspensions which, in fairness we do have
So it will be a Moyes/Bruce shut up shop job

[Risso]

I think Emery will go again with the same format against West Ham
If he does It will be a very boring game and we might come away with a point at best

He's have to be an absolute fucking idiot to ever try that formation again.

I bet you he goes with the same back 5 again at West Ham
The excuse will be a containment job because of all the injuries and suspensions which, in fairness we do have
So it will be a Moyes/Bruce shut up shop job

I hope you're wrong John, I really do. Kalvin Phillips game of his life incoming.

[Drummond]

From the OS

Ollie Watkins insists Sunday’s defeat to Tottenham Hotspur “doesn’t define our season”.

Two goals in three minutes from James Maddison and Brennan Johnson early in the second half put Spurs in control at Villa Park.

Skipper John McGinn then saw red shortly after the hour mark, before Heung-Min Son and Timo Werner found the net in added time to inflict a 4-0 reverse.

“Really disappointing,” said Watkins, speaking post-match.

“First half I felt we had a few opportunities on the break, I had an opportunity myself, I’ve chopped back, maybe I should shoot.

“But I felt in the first half they didn’t cause us too many problems, I think they had one corner.

“Second half we’ve come out a little bit slow and they’re always quick coming out in the second half.

“They’ve scored two goals really quickly and it’s very difficult against a good side to come back from 2-0.

“Obviously, with our captain getting sent off as well, it was difficult.”

Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur
Watkins, who has 21 goals to his name so far this term, felt a couple of heavy challenges early on in the encounter but refused to use that as an excuse.

The disappointing defeat ended Villa’s three-match winning sequence in the Premier League, but Unai Emery’s side get to chance to bounce straight back against Ajax on Thursday night before resuming domestic matters at West Ham United on Sunday.

And the striker is adamant defeat to Spurs won’t shape the season for fourth-placed Villa, who still have 10 matches remaining this term.

“The ref said he checked it but he (Micky van de Ven) has definitely caught my Achilles there,” said Watkins.

“Then I felt another one, from I think it was Pedro Porro, in the early five minutes of the game, which is not great trying to run it off.

“But that’s no excuse for a poor performance from myself, I can definitely do better and, as a team, we can do better.

“But this doesn’t define us, this game doesn’t define our season.

“We’ve done unbelievable to get where we are, really proud of all the boys, we’ve still got a lot of football to play. So, this game doesn’t define our season.”

[Rigadon]

Bang on Mr Watkins.  Accept for the obvious lies about those pure boys in Lillywhite - they would never resort to thuggish behaviours like those nasty ruffians in C&B (who should all receive 6 game bans immediately). 

[john e]

i think it could define our season but obviously hope not

i cant think of a game where we lost so much in one 90 mins session

[Drummond]

And he's right, it doesn't define our season.

We stifled them in the first half, knowing what they are like, in the same way we stifled Man City, and then held out against Arsenal.

It didn't work out in the end yesterday (by a long way), and we're all sore as a result. But we've seen this team bounce back strongly after defeats, and I expect the same on Thursday and Sunday. However, Sunday's game is likely to be a game of attrition and we need to look at how we set up in midfield.

[brontebilly]

From the OS

Ollie Watkins insists Sunday’s defeat to Tottenham Hotspur “doesn’t define our season”.

Two goals in three minutes from James Maddison and Brennan Johnson early in the second half put Spurs in control at Villa Park.

Skipper John McGinn then saw red shortly after the hour mark, before Heung-Min Son and Timo Werner found the net in added time to inflict a 4-0 reverse.

“Really disappointing,” said Watkins, speaking post-match.

“First half I felt we had a few opportunities on the break, I had an opportunity myself, I’ve chopped back, maybe I should shoot.

“But I felt in the first half they didn’t cause us too many problems, I think they had one corner.

“Second half we’ve come out a little bit slow and they’re always quick coming out in the second half.

“They’ve scored two goals really quickly and it’s very difficult against a good side to come back from 2-0.

“Obviously, with our captain getting sent off as well, it was difficult.”

Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur
Watkins, who has 21 goals to his name so far this term, felt a couple of heavy challenges early on in the encounter but refused to use that as an excuse.

The disappointing defeat ended Villa’s three-match winning sequence in the Premier League, but Unai Emery’s side get to chance to bounce straight back against Ajax on Thursday night before resuming domestic matters at West Ham United on Sunday.

And the striker is adamant defeat to Spurs won’t shape the season for fourth-placed Villa, who still have 10 matches remaining this term.

“The ref said he checked it but he (Micky van de Ven) has definitely caught my Achilles there,” said Watkins.

“Then I felt another one, from I think it was Pedro Porro, in the early five minutes of the game, which is not great trying to run it off.

“But that’s no excuse for a poor performance from myself, I can definitely do better and, as a team, we can do better.

“But this doesn’t define us, this game doesn’t define our season.

“We’ve done unbelievable to get where we are, really proud of all the boys, we’ve still got a lot of football to play. So, this game doesn’t define our season.”

Ollie talking sense as always. Thought Emery could have hooked him to be honest after McGinn got sent off. Game was done and Duran could have ran around instead.

[AV82EC]

The ridiculous thing on reflection is that the first half tactics were sort of working, admittedly it made for a turgid affair, but it seems to me we were inviting Spurs on then looking to work a position to get Watkins one on one with Romero. Except it didn’t work and we seemed to get Bailey one on one with der Ven and he was useless. They realised we were passive and really pressed us second half and Konsa and Cash got overrun and we ended up throwing it away. Hey ho onto Thursday.

[Rigadon]

Had Emery subbed Watkins with half an hour to go in such a big game there would've been uproar.  It was 'only' 0-2 until the dying minutes. 

[jon collett]

I think Emery will go again with the same format against West Ham
If he does It will be a very boring game and we might come away with a point at best

Yep he hasn't got any midfielders.

Be interesting to see what he tries against Ajax.

[Rigadon]

The ridiculous thing on reflection is that the first half tactics were sort of working, admittedly it made for a turgid affair, but it seems to me we were inviting Spurs on then looking to work a position to get Watkins one on one with Romero. Except it didn’t work and we seemed to get Bailey one on one with der Ven and he was useless. They realised we were passive and really pressed us second half and Konsa and Cash got overrun and we ended up throwing it away. Hey ho onto Thursday.

It isn't ridiculous.  The tactics were working just fine first half and would've continued to work had we not shat the bed and let James Maddison, hardly Peter Withe, to get between 2 defenders with a header and then followed it up with an individual error that a school boy would be embarrassed with.  Those things weren't tactical in nature, they were shit defending.