Quote from: LeonW on March 10, 2024, 08:31:03 PMQuote from: RamboandBruno on March 10, 2024, 08:21:51 PMQuote from: LeonW on March 10, 2024, 08:14:05 PMQuote from: RamboandBruno on March 10, 2024, 08:06:46 PMQuote from: Risso on March 10, 2024, 06:28:53 PMQuote from: RamboandBruno on March 10, 2024, 05:04:36 PMQuote from: Risso on March 10, 2024, 04:51:59 PMTwo full seasons for a £50m player? Jesus, I hope not.Bailey might not of cost as much, but is a prime example of the need for patience. As is Luiz to a lesser extent, McGinn has been written off wtc etc.Bailey came into a relegation threatened team and played for Smith and Gerrard. We’ll never achieve anything if we always have to wait two years for a player to come good.I don’t remember Bailey raising his game to the same level as most other players under Unai last year. But I think your right lets write Diaby off.I think some of the frustrations are that unlike clubs like Man City, Liverpool, that can afford to wait for players to blossom, for us to spend close to £50m and a club record, we don’t really have that same luxury which my come fruition this season if we don’t get champions league football and have to sell our most consistent and best players.Yes I agree and can see that. I do think though Diaby did look generally really good for the first quarter of the season before admittedly falling away quite badly. So personally i think there is a player there. Anyway probably going down a rabbit hole with this one tonight and it makes no odds really to a pretty demoralising day. We need a really big win on Thursday and then God knows what team selection on Sunday.I know. He wants to be getting back to his early form and confidence. We want him back to those levels. I think it just comes down to yet another thing that is stacked against us with having to get so many things right just to compete. Our recruitment has largely been very good which is what plays its part in why we are where we are. I think we’re all just frustrated, angry, disappointed, etc.Not sure about recent recruitment to be honest. Torres aside it has been very average.
Quote from: RamboandBruno on March 10, 2024, 08:21:51 PMQuote from: LeonW on March 10, 2024, 08:14:05 PMQuote from: RamboandBruno on March 10, 2024, 08:06:46 PMQuote from: Risso on March 10, 2024, 06:28:53 PMQuote from: RamboandBruno on March 10, 2024, 05:04:36 PMQuote from: Risso on March 10, 2024, 04:51:59 PMTwo full seasons for a £50m player? Jesus, I hope not.Bailey might not of cost as much, but is a prime example of the need for patience. As is Luiz to a lesser extent, McGinn has been written off wtc etc.Bailey came into a relegation threatened team and played for Smith and Gerrard. We’ll never achieve anything if we always have to wait two years for a player to come good.I don’t remember Bailey raising his game to the same level as most other players under Unai last year. But I think your right lets write Diaby off.I think some of the frustrations are that unlike clubs like Man City, Liverpool, that can afford to wait for players to blossom, for us to spend close to £50m and a club record, we don’t really have that same luxury which my come fruition this season if we don’t get champions league football and have to sell our most consistent and best players.Yes I agree and can see that. I do think though Diaby did look generally really good for the first quarter of the season before admittedly falling away quite badly. So personally i think there is a player there. Anyway probably going down a rabbit hole with this one tonight and it makes no odds really to a pretty demoralising day. We need a really big win on Thursday and then God knows what team selection on Sunday.I know. He wants to be getting back to his early form and confidence. We want him back to those levels. I think it just comes down to yet another thing that is stacked against us with having to get so many things right just to compete. Our recruitment has largely been very good which is what plays its part in why we are where we are. I think we’re all just frustrated, angry, disappointed, etc.
Quote from: LeonW on March 10, 2024, 08:14:05 PMQuote from: RamboandBruno on March 10, 2024, 08:06:46 PMQuote from: Risso on March 10, 2024, 06:28:53 PMQuote from: RamboandBruno on March 10, 2024, 05:04:36 PMQuote from: Risso on March 10, 2024, 04:51:59 PMTwo full seasons for a £50m player? Jesus, I hope not.Bailey might not of cost as much, but is a prime example of the need for patience. As is Luiz to a lesser extent, McGinn has been written off wtc etc.Bailey came into a relegation threatened team and played for Smith and Gerrard. We’ll never achieve anything if we always have to wait two years for a player to come good.I don’t remember Bailey raising his game to the same level as most other players under Unai last year. But I think your right lets write Diaby off.I think some of the frustrations are that unlike clubs like Man City, Liverpool, that can afford to wait for players to blossom, for us to spend close to £50m and a club record, we don’t really have that same luxury which my come fruition this season if we don’t get champions league football and have to sell our most consistent and best players.Yes I agree and can see that. I do think though Diaby did look generally really good for the first quarter of the season before admittedly falling away quite badly. So personally i think there is a player there. Anyway probably going down a rabbit hole with this one tonight and it makes no odds really to a pretty demoralising day. We need a really big win on Thursday and then God knows what team selection on Sunday.
Quote from: RamboandBruno on March 10, 2024, 08:06:46 PMQuote from: Risso on March 10, 2024, 06:28:53 PMQuote from: RamboandBruno on March 10, 2024, 05:04:36 PMQuote from: Risso on March 10, 2024, 04:51:59 PMTwo full seasons for a £50m player? Jesus, I hope not.Bailey might not of cost as much, but is a prime example of the need for patience. As is Luiz to a lesser extent, McGinn has been written off wtc etc.Bailey came into a relegation threatened team and played for Smith and Gerrard. We’ll never achieve anything if we always have to wait two years for a player to come good.I don’t remember Bailey raising his game to the same level as most other players under Unai last year. But I think your right lets write Diaby off.I think some of the frustrations are that unlike clubs like Man City, Liverpool, that can afford to wait for players to blossom, for us to spend close to £50m and a club record, we don’t really have that same luxury which my come fruition this season if we don’t get champions league football and have to sell our most consistent and best players.
Quote from: Risso on March 10, 2024, 06:28:53 PMQuote from: RamboandBruno on March 10, 2024, 05:04:36 PMQuote from: Risso on March 10, 2024, 04:51:59 PMTwo full seasons for a £50m player? Jesus, I hope not.Bailey might not of cost as much, but is a prime example of the need for patience. As is Luiz to a lesser extent, McGinn has been written off wtc etc.Bailey came into a relegation threatened team and played for Smith and Gerrard. We’ll never achieve anything if we always have to wait two years for a player to come good.I don’t remember Bailey raising his game to the same level as most other players under Unai last year. But I think your right lets write Diaby off.
Quote from: RamboandBruno on March 10, 2024, 05:04:36 PMQuote from: Risso on March 10, 2024, 04:51:59 PMTwo full seasons for a £50m player? Jesus, I hope not.Bailey might not of cost as much, but is a prime example of the need for patience. As is Luiz to a lesser extent, McGinn has been written off wtc etc.Bailey came into a relegation threatened team and played for Smith and Gerrard. We’ll never achieve anything if we always have to wait two years for a player to come good.
Quote from: Risso on March 10, 2024, 04:51:59 PMTwo full seasons for a £50m player? Jesus, I hope not.Bailey might not of cost as much, but is a prime example of the need for patience. As is Luiz to a lesser extent, McGinn has been written off wtc etc.
Two full seasons for a £50m player? Jesus, I hope not.
Quote from: adrenachrome on March 10, 2024, 08:32:11 PMOn the home support, the atmosphere at early kick offs is often somewhat flat. I used to say that this was due to alcohol deprivation. The support was poor. Sorry to make the comparison but as I drove home I listened to the Redscouse vs Citeh game and heard a home crowd supporting and driving its team. We just went very quiet.VP is not a fortress until the support becomes unconditional.
On the home support, the atmosphere at early kick offs is often somewhat flat. I used to say that this was due to alcohol deprivation.
Quote from: Mister E on March 10, 2024, 08:42:35 PMQuote from: adrenachrome on March 10, 2024, 08:32:11 PMOn the home support, the atmosphere at early kick offs is often somewhat flat. I used to say that this was due to alcohol deprivation. The support was poor. Sorry to make the comparison but as I drove home I listened to the Redscouse vs Citeh game and heard a home crowd supporting and driving its team. We just went very quiet.VP is not a fortress until the support becomes unconditional.Liverpool's home support is not unconditionally great. Please don't build on the media myth.
He played five at the back because he’s run out of midfielders.It was pragmatic. It changed the flow of our play though. Much more over the top and long ball and Bailey is like a fish out of water in the middle. My suspicion is that the wing is Diaby’s best position as well.Not sure how we come back without a midfield
No he looks great in the Newcastle game and some of the games that followed.
Keep hearing about this brilliant form from Diaby at the start of the season. Is this the Burnley away game. He's been a non event for 95% of his time here if we are being honest .
Quote from: VillaTim on March 10, 2024, 09:10:25 PMKeep hearing about this brilliant form from Diaby at the start of the season. Is this the Burnley away game. He's been a non event for 95% of his time here if we are being honest .Because you are so forgetful. 3 goals and 5 assists in the first 10 games. And again a reminder that his contributions have won us 9 extra points then we would have got without him playing.
Quote from: PaulWinch again on March 10, 2024, 09:11:11 PMNo he looks great in the Newcastle game and some of the games that followed.Yeah "great" in the opening day 1-5 battering. His best games have been against Burnley and luton which says it all really .
It’s a good job we always play really well and get great results away at West Ham.
Quote from: Risso on March 10, 2024, 08:27:31 PMIt’s a good job we always play really well and get great results away at West Ham.TBF our home record v them was equally poor up to the October game and that was one of our best attacking performances of the season throughout 90 minutes.They have injuries and will need to put a fair bit in for Freiburg so hopefully they'll be flatter than us on Sunday.If we want to get 4th then West Ham away is probably a game we'll have to win as Spurs could go there and win in a few weeks.
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