Standard of Refereeing

[Demitri_C]

Even though the new angles have shown it wss out by some distance i bet if yhat was manure goal would have been given

[tomd2103]

Just for good measure can I throw this into the mix?

Limits: While there is no specific time limit, the review is limited to the immediate phase of play. If a new phase of play starts (e.g., the defending team clears the ball and establishes control), any previous offence is "written off".

I would suggest that when Kellener parried the ball, Brentford had effectively cleared the ball and therefore a new phase had started and the previous “offence” should have been written off

Although It could probably be argued that although he parried it they did not establish control because it went straight to Tammy

All very subjective - as was the original decision

Can remember the Bailey one that got ruled out a couple of years ago against Sheffield United for a supposed foul on tje keeper from a corner.  The ball broke and Sheffield United had possession on the edge of their box, gave it away, we scored and the goal was ruled out for a questionable foul on the keeper. 

We'd have been top at Christmas if we'd have won that.

[Gareth]

Even though the new angles have shown it wss out by some distance i bet if yhat was manure goal would have been given

. New angles are totally irrelevant, all that matters is what the VAR saw…if they had an angle proving it fine, if they had an angle where they guessed it was out then answers are required

[luke95]

Even though the new angles have shown it wss out by some distance i bet if yhat was manure goal would have been given

100% it would've been given.

[Steve67]

I haven’t seen these new angles but am pretty sure that, after the game, they don’t count for shit as they can be manipulated to justify the piss poor decision making from the PGMOL. It was a total guess on the day.  They are screwing up far too many times as far as Villa are concerned. No conspiracy theory, but just get it right.

[Ian.]

It looked miles out to me and doesn’t this just really highlight the uselessness of the officials letting play go on in the first place and then the uselessness of the team running VAR to intervene when that’s not really their duty. Otherwise it’s contradicts too many other missed things that happen dozens of times in a match. The most clear one it never gets involved with is when the corner or throw-in is given the wrong way and a goal is scored.

It’s just a mess.

[Somniloquism]

It looked miles out to me and doesn’t this just really highlight the uselessness of the officials letting play go on in the first place and then the uselessness of the team running VAR to intervene when that’s not really their duty. Otherwise it’s contradicts too many other missed things that happen dozens of times in a match. The most clear one it never gets involved with is when the corner or throw-in is given the wrong way and a goal is scored.

It’s just a mess.

I don't blame the ref in that situation. Lino was on the wrong side of the pitch, other end of the line so it was only the ref who might have judged it but Bailey and the Brentford defender was blocking his view. If the ref had gone closer he might have interfered with play (accidently blocked a player or ball) so I'm fine with him guessing it hadn't and not relying solely on the oppositions players claims.

[LeeB]

Even though the new angles have shown it wss out by some distance i bet if yhat was manure goal would have been given

100% it would've been given.

Then it would become 'inconclusive'.

[lovejoy]

The salient points that you need to be sure to give it and from his angle the ref wasn’t sure. He made the best decision. VAR is their to opine on clear and obvious errors and only when it is a n an attacking phase leading to a goal. Neither applied here so the VAR intervention was incorrect.

[Beard82]

https://x.com/SkySportsNews/status/2018621557686304936

This is an absolute joke and got me angry again.  You cant use a fans fucking instagram video as evidence it was out

It was not clearly out - there is no way they can say that as all the past examples have shown.  Secondly - its a fucking throw in.  If you cant referee whether a corner was a corner or goal kick, you cant re-referee a throw in.

What makes me more angry is the standard of Journalism.  Press him on the fact it makes zero sense, and use the numerous examples where it has been aruged the other way.  And press to show the evidence that shows it is 100% out.   Explain how the rules are cotridicatory and clearly not fit for purpose. 

The games bent, and referees and most journalists are sycophants stealing livings. 

[German James]

My brother's just bought a new car that's so packed full of "helpful" computerised nonsense it's amazing he can get five miles without having to recharge the fucker. I'm still turning off apps and bloatware on my new phone.
VAR is another example of tech being used for the sake of it. It's absolutely ridiculous to apply it to every situation and spending so long over borderline decisions which used to even out over a season is ruining the game.
The only way to make it work is to make the wankers operating it decide within a set time (Say 30 seconds) or the referee's original on-field  decision stands...



The ball was out, though.

[brontebilly]

Is "same phase of play" a new one they have brought in to justify VAR getting involved? Two cracking passes from Luiz and Buendia to put Sancho clear down the left.

[achilles]

It looked miles out to me and doesn’t this just really highlight the uselessness of the officials letting play go on in the first place and then the uselessness of the team running VAR to intervene when that’s not really their duty. Otherwise it’s contradicts too many other missed things that happen dozens of times in a match. The most clear one it never gets involved with is when the corner or throw-in is given the wrong way and a goal is scored.

It’s just a mess.

Absolutely!

Another highlight is when the attacking player is clearly offside, the goalkeeper saves the shot but it goes for a corner and the attacking team then score from it - goal given! If the goalkeeper hadn't saved the shot it would have been disallowed for offside!

Utter bonkers the whole bloody thing!

[Dante Lavelli]

Is it worth a poll to see whether VAR should ne scrapped? 

I'm done with it.  A significant number of referee's decisions are subjective, and I think I'd prefer the human error from a bloke on the pitch rather than the pretend science of VAR, it'll still be subjective.

[LeeB]

It's panned out exactly how I thought it would when it was introduced, absolutely pointless Blues.