Standard of Refereeing

[ozzjim]

Only man to blame for that goal was the ever careless Carlos.

I did think the ref on general let a lot of niggly shit go from them, but their time wasting made Emi look tame.

[Footy-Vill]

From seeing highlights, Konsa was definitely fouled in the leadup to the Wolves goal.
I don't think Robinson and certainly ref assistant did well at all in not  awardeding a foul, it was a clear pullback on Konsa, and I believe they eventually scored if correct.

There wasn't anybody anywhere near Konsa, from either side, at any point during the goal or the build up to it. Wolves win a throw in our left hand side, overhit it, it goes to Torres, who passes it to Emi, who gives it to Carlos, with the end result of a goal. Konsa was miles away from the action at all times. There certainly wasn't a foul on him.

My mistake it was motd highlights Saturday the first attack they show in 17 mins when Konsa was high up he was pulled back ref waved play on they go up the other end get a corner and from resulting corner Lemina has free header but straight at Martinez

That's the incident. Quite right not to do with the goal but felt that it was poor officiating to let foul go and Wolves counter up field.

[Tayls_7]

I've just seen the penalty awarded to Forrrest. Jesus H.

[cdbearsfan]

Has the Wolves number nine managed to make it off the pitch yet? Hard to know what constitutes a time-wasting booking if he didn't get one.

[Risso]

Surely PGMOL need to explain the Gibbs-White sending off. He was on a yellow card, and then made a challenge. The ref indicated that MGW had won the ball, but then appeared to take advice from VAR and changed his mind and issued a second yellow. I thought VAR weren't allowed to intervene with yellow card decisions, but only a direct red?

[Dave P]

Can you imagine the Arsenal forum's equivalent of this thread.  My god that would be good reading.

[ChicagoLion]

The deliberate time wasting is now a problem.
I am struggling to work out how the refs get on top of this. The first thing is allowing medical staff on the field of play and only stopping the game for serious injuries.
Not sure how they deal with the icing around at restarts though.

[Drummond]

Surely PGMOL need to explain the Gibbs-White sending off. He was on a yellow card, and then made a challenge. The ref indicated that MGW had won the ball, but then appeared to take advice from VAR and changed his mind and issued a second yellow. I thought VAR weren't allowed to intervene with yellow card decisions, but only a direct red?

Maybe he got advice from one of his assistants rather than VAR?

It was the right decision.

[nick harper]

The deliberate time wasting is now a problem.
I am struggling to work out how the refs get on top of this. The first thing is allowing medical staff on the field of play and only stopping the game for serious injuries.
Not sure how they deal with the icing around at restarts though.

There is definitely more of a pattern of players going down to take momentum and crowd noise away from teams building up a head of steam.

It’s a real tough one for referees. I thought Oliver did well under very difficult circumstances yesterday.

[lovejoy]

I guess the issue with Gibbs-White and Rice a few weeks ago was that they were second yellows leading to a red. neither were red cards in and of themselves. had they been first yellows they wouldn't have had that focus. For me Gibbs White won the ball and then there was a coming together. it was much less of a yellow than Martinez for Man Utd vs Palace on saturday. the refereeing issue is consistency, which you'd think VAR would help with.

[Nev]

I guess the issue with Gibbs-White and Rice a few weeks ago was that they were second yellows leading to a red. neither were red cards in and of themselves. had they been first yellows they wouldn't have had that focus. For me Gibbs White won the ball and then there was a coming together. it was much less of a yellow than Martinez for Man Utd vs Palace on saturday. the refereeing issue is consistency, which you'd think VAR would help with.

VAR can't contribute to consistency because the majority of decisions are subjective and by it's very definition you will get two different opinions. It's hard to fathom why the Newton Heath player wasn't sent off but there you go, both ref and VAR official got it wrong (IMO) which is what makes VAR so infuriating. Instead of one error, it looks like it was made twice.

[Drummond]

I guess the issue with Gibbs-White and Rice a few weeks ago was that they were second yellows leading to a red. neither were red cards in and of themselves. had they been first yellows they wouldn't have had that focus. For me Gibbs White won the ball and then there was a coming together. it was much less of a yellow than Martinez for Man Utd vs Palace on saturday. the refereeing issue is consistency, which you'd think VAR would help with.

it wasn't a 'coming together' he didn't take his foot with the ball, he hit the ball, whilst sliding in and out of control and took the player's leg, with a scissor-like motion that could have ended up with a really serious injury. I think the first contact with the player, after he'd got the ball, was on the achilles.

[Neil Hawkes]

A mate asked me to look at the Lisandro Martínez attempted assault against Crystal Palace - yellow card my arse.

[paul_e]

The Martinez one was a poor call, no idea how you can see someone jump in with 2 feet and not give a red, even if there's no contact, it was reckless and dangerous and exactly the sort of thing that could lead to a serious injury.

Gibbs-White is bizarre but is the sort of thing that I think VAR should be able to call on, i just don't see any reason to have VAR and then limit it with a threshold of nothing less than a red card offence can be called up.

The other big one for me was the bookings for Mosquira and Rogers which were both weird. I assume they were for playing after the whistle but that seems ridiculous in a game that had seen so much time-wasting already and then to book them both was strange as well. From a claret specs viewpoint I don't see what Rogers did wrong, their guy played on so he cut in and won the ball. It led to an injury but there was no foul play so, at best, he got booked for doing something about the amount of time-wasting that was going on when the ref was clearly not bothered by it.

The Torres booking was similar as well, got booked for asking the ref why he was letting them get away with kicking the shit out of us.

[Footy-Vill]

Surely PGMOL need to explain the Gibbs-White sending off. He was on a yellow card, and then made a challenge. The ref indicated that MGW had won the ball, but then appeared to take advice from VAR and changed his mind and issued a second yellow. I thought VAR weren't allowed to intervene with yellow card decisions, but only a direct red?

Maybe he got advice from one of his assistants rather than VAR?

It was the right decision.

Sky Sports Ref Watch
INCIDENT: Morgan Gibbs-White was sent off during Nottingham Forest's defeat to Brighton, with the player shown a second yellow card for a tackle on Joao Pedro.

Dermot Gallagher ex ref says: "When the ref says he got the ball, you think it's a good tackle. But the fourth official has the other angle and says it's a yellow. He's there to assist the referee. He's got the view and has passed on the information.

"The fourth official is an integral part of the team but the referee still holds the big say."

Steve Warnock ex villa now pundit says  "When I saw that tackle I thought 'What a brilliant challenge'. But in the first half there was a challenge right in front of the dugout and it caused a melee but ref Rob Jones didn't give a foul. And I said what is fourth official Anthony Taylor doing. But on this occasion I think he gets involved incorrectly.

"It's a full-blooded challenge. He takes ball and then man. And Joao Pedro is struggling with injury afterwards. But I thought it was a brilliant tackle."