Standard of Refereeing

[itbrvilla]

Ref Watch v Leicester
https://www.skysports.com/football/video/30998/13208437/ref-watch-why-referee-had-to-disallow-leicester-citys-goal-against-aston-villa

Ridiculous that anyone feels aggrieved by that decision.

[paul_e]

Ref Watch v Leicester
https://www.skysports.com/football/video/30998/13208437/ref-watch-why-referee-had-to-disallow-leicester-citys-goal-against-aston-villa

Ridiculous that anyone feels aggrieved by that decision.

I can't understand why it's even a talking point, it's so obvious that they gained a huge advantage.

[maidstonevillain]

And, looking at it again, if the ref hadn't blown the whistle, Torres would probably have intercepted it in any event.

[paul_e]

And, looking at it again, if the ref hadn't blown the whistle, Torres would probably have intercepted it in any event.

Yep, I'm not sure the dive from Martinez was him really trying to save it either, seemed a bit more performative than anything.

[Risso]

Referee applies rules correctly shocker. I mean, given who the ref is it actually is a bit of a shocker I suppose, but still.

[Somniloquism]

I'm surprised they didn't cover the final pen decision when Cootes appeared to be giving it, and then the offside flag. Afterall that is the one they are being charged for but not one highlights package covered it.

[dcdavecollett]

Was Coote giving it or confirming the offside?

[Somniloquism]

Was Coote giving it or confirming the offside?

No idea. Text commentary on Sky and on here seemed to indicate Coote initially looked to be pointing at the spot and then changed to the offside call. But as I mentioned, that seemed to be the decision that Leicester have been charged over so thought Ref Spot would cover it.

[Footy-Vill]

I'm surprised they didn't cover the final pen decision when Cootes appeared to be giving it, and then the offside flag. Afterall that is the one they are being charged for but not one highlights package covered it.

Aston Villa v Everton sees referee: Craig Pawson with David Coote on VAR duty.

[Footy-Vill]

BSC Young Boys- Aston Villa FC
Referee: Georgi Kabakov Bulgaria
Video Assistant Referee: Willy Delajod France

38 Year old ref Kabakov has shown 1622 yellow cards and 28 red cards in 346 fixtures and gives an average of 4.69 yellow cards per game.

[Footy-Vill]

Interesting Daily Telegraph article by former Ref Keith Hackett
Bookings are at an all-time high – Howard Webb must explain his approach
Chelsea and Bournemouth broke the record for the most yellow cards recorded in a single Premier League match on Saturday

"We are operating at the elite level of the game, and I expect in pre-season Howard Webb detailed what was expected in terms of dealing with time wasting and dissent. Yet as I watched Anthony Taylor handing out yellow cards like confetti, it was clear that Premier League refereeing has become reactive rather than proactive.

There were 65 yellow cards this weekend, a new record, beating the previous worst total of 57. There were nine shown for dissent, nine for time wasting and two for not retreating.

Refereeing should have a step-managed approach. If a player shows dissent or wastes time, you should firstly have a quiet word with them. Referees can run alongside a player out of the public eye and firmly tell them you will not accept their behaviour. Have a word with the captain too.

Step two should be a public rebuke. Give him a warning that you are not standing for any more. Again you can bring the captain across and that you want improvement from their team.

The Premier League undervalues yellow cards. You can see that from the fact you need five of them to get a ban, while elsewhere in Europe it is three. So then we see Taylor flashing yellows without any communication, with no body language that tells you he is annoyed; no approach to the captain to make it clear that ‘I’ll caution you if this persists.’

My point is that a lot of this can be avoided with proactive management of the players. Ultimately Webb has to talk to managers. On my watch PGMOL would have regular meetings with clubs, players and coaches, to reinforce our approach. That way you would get buy-in.

All I see at the moment is managers shaking their heads as cards are shown. And if this persists, in a few weeks we will see players unable to play because they have collected yellow cards.

It makes me shudder. When I took over at PGMOL, we averaged four to five yellows per game. We acted to get that down to about three. To get 14 in one game, it’s like the referees have lost control.
So what comes now? At the Euros, they acted to reduce dissent by only allowing the captain to speak to the referee. It worked. I cannot believe this approach has not been adopted by the Premier League. And time wasting is a cancer on the game, and something we acted on last year, but that lasted six weeks.

It has been a very bad weekend for the Premier League and PGMOL and they should have an urgent meeting about this tomorrow.

This level of carding is unacceptable. Referees, managers and players need a better relationship so this doesn’t happen again"

[Footy-Vill]

Ref Watch v Wolves
Tim Robinson
Var: Paul Tierney

Awarded a penalty last season against us for Bournemouth

[Footy-Vill]

From seeing highlights, Konsa was definitely fouled in the leadup to the Wolves goal.
I don't think Robinson and certainly ref assistant did well at all in not  awardeding a foul, it was a clear pullback on Konsa, and I believe they eventually scored if correct.

[Risso]

From seeing highlights, Konsa was definitely fouled in the leadup to the Wolves goal.
I don't think Robinson and certainly ref assistant did well at all in not  awardeding a foul, it was a clear pullback on Konsa, and I believe they eventually scored if correct.

There wasn't anybody anywhere near Konsa, from either side, at any point during the goal or the build up to it. Wolves win a throw in our left hand side, overhit it, it goes to Torres, who passes it to Emi, who gives it to Carlos, with the end result of a goal. Konsa was miles away from the action at all times. There certainly wasn't a foul on him.

[charlatan]

Interesting Daily Telegraph article by former Ref Keith Hackett
Bookings are at an all-time high – Howard Webb must explain his approach
Chelsea and Bournemouth broke the record for the most yellow cards recorded in a single Premier League match on Saturday

"We are operating at the elite level of the game, and I expect in pre-season Howard Webb detailed what was expected in terms of dealing with time wasting and dissent. Yet as I watched Anthony Taylor handing out yellow cards like confetti, it was clear that Premier League refereeing has become reactive rather than proactive.

There were 65 yellow cards this weekend, a new record, beating the previous worst total of 57. There were nine shown for dissent, nine for time wasting and two for not retreating.

Refereeing should have a step-managed approach. If a player shows dissent or wastes time, you should firstly have a quiet word with them. Referees can run alongside a player out of the public eye and firmly tell them you will not accept their behaviour. Have a word with the captain too.

Step two should be a public rebuke. Give him a warning that you are not standing for any more. Again you can bring the captain across and that you want improvement from their team.

The Premier League undervalues yellow cards. You can see that from the fact you need five of them to get a ban, while elsewhere in Europe it is three. So then we see Taylor flashing yellows without any communication, with no body language that tells you he is annoyed; no approach to the captain to make it clear that ‘I’ll caution you if this persists.’

My point is that a lot of this can be avoided with proactive management of the players. Ultimately Webb has to talk to managers. On my watch PGMOL would have regular meetings with clubs, players and coaches, to reinforce our approach. That way you would get buy-in.

All I see at the moment is managers shaking their heads as cards are shown. And if this persists, in a few weeks we will see players unable to play because they have collected yellow cards.

It makes me shudder. When I took over at PGMOL, we averaged four to five yellows per game. We acted to get that down to about three. To get 14 in one game, it’s like the referees have lost control.
So what comes now? At the Euros, they acted to reduce dissent by only allowing the captain to speak to the referee. It worked. I cannot believe this approach has not been adopted by the Premier League. And time wasting is a cancer on the game, and something we acted on last year, but that lasted six weeks.

It has been a very bad weekend for the Premier League and PGMOL and they should have an urgent meeting about this tomorrow.

This level of carding is unacceptable. Referees, managers and players need a better relationship so this doesn’t happen again"

So why is it unacceptable? The only argument here is that players get banned, but as he notes you need more cards for a ban than elsewhere (and that number could be increased further too). Meanwhile, the players who do get banned don't tend to be the ones playing glorious football.