Morgan Rogers

[ChicagoLion]

Lots of links not much solid.

Arsenal on the back page of the mirror are after him, I have also read Liverpool, PSG and Real

One report suggests Man City is going to trigger the £80m buy back clause they have.  Which seems nice of us and Man City to have included that.

The Citeh buy back clause is now doing the rounds, it seems unlikely but not impossible.

How would it be possible? Middlesbrough had an agreement with Man City, we had an agreement with Middlesbrough.

There's no scenario where we had to agree something with Man City in order to sign him.

I believe It is possible legally, ie that Citeh insisted that tag along rights were included (vested)in the Boro /Citeh contract and that right to pass into subsequent contract/contracts.
Happy to have any contract lawyers opine on this.

[Crown Hill]

Maatsen and Onana, there was funny business with Chelsea and Everton that summer so true price may be masked a bit. At this stage though both should be firmly in our starting X1 and that's not the case. Maatsen should definitely be ahead of Digne, 33 this summer, and looked to be the case midway during the season but certainly wasn't by the end. Onana, his form is mixed at best when he is fit, which simply isn't often enough.

The rest are a mixed bag as with most clubs, spectacular successes (Rogers, Tielemans, Torres), solid (Bizot, Lindelof), duds (Sancho, Elliot, Guessand, Garcia).

Although you clearly hate Onana, he absolutely is a first choice starter.

Hate is a strong word. Does he play if Kamara and Tielemans are fit for our biggest games?

He’s useful against the top sides when we cede possession and need to win duels. He’s v awkward when we dominate possession. He’s also inconsistent. So it would depend.

[Rigadon]

Man City won't be anything like the same draw with Temo Guardiola in charge.  And they have those pesky charges...  It'll be very interesting to see where they finish next season.

[Rudy Can't Fail]

Lots of links not much solid.

Arsenal on the back page of the mirror are after him, I have also read Liverpool, PSG and Real

One report suggests Man City is going to trigger the £80m buy back clause they have.  Which seems nice of us and Man City to have included that.

Morgan had better get working on his defending, if Arse are going to sign him.

He'll also need to get his Category D licence, pass the medical, pass both CPC Theory Tests then the practical and then finally complete the CPC Module 4 test. It ain't easy to become a bus driver.

[john e]

Virtually guaranteed trophies vs winning one every 30 years sadly (& probably a pay rise).

You think, from here on, it's one trophy every thirty years and no pay rises?

We’re still not in the 5 year contract at 350k per week area
Unfortunately footballers love all that money stuff it’s still their biggest priority in most cases

[cdbearsfan]

Man City have a sell-on clause with Boro, meaning they're entitled to a share of Boro's profits. Boro have a sell-on clause with Villa meaning they're entitled to a share of our profits. That would, in turn, increase the value of the initial Man City>Boro sale, meaning Boro would have to give some of their additional share to Man City.

There is no way they have a buy-back clause which is still active two clubs later, though.

[LeeB]

Man City have a sell-on clause with Boro, meaning they're entitled to a share of Boro's profits. Boro have a sell-on clause with Villa meaning they're entitled to a share of our profits. That would, in turn, increase the value of the initial Man City>Boro sale, meaning Boro would have to give some of their additional share to Man City.

There is no way they have a buy-back clause which is still active two clubs later, though.

I wonder if such an arrangement would stray into third party ownership rules as well.

[Dave]

Lots of links not much solid.

Arsenal on the back page of the mirror are after him, I have also read Liverpool, PSG and Real

One report suggests Man City is going to trigger the £80m buy back clause they have.  Which seems nice of us and Man City to have included that.

The Citeh buy back clause is now doing the rounds, it seems unlikely but not impossible.

How would it be possible? Middlesbrough had an agreement with Man City, we had an agreement with Middlesbrough.

There's no scenario where we had to agree something with Man City in order to sign him.

I believe It is possible legally, ie that Citeh insisted that tag along rights were included (vested)in the Boro /Citeh contract and that right to pass into subsequent contract/contracts.
Happy to have any contract lawyers opine on this.

But for that to be the case (and I appreciate you're not saying that you think that it is), think about the numbers / timeline involved.

Boro bought him for £1.5m from Man City in summer 2023. As that part of that transfer, they got 25% of any profit that Middlesbrough made. There's not going to be any "if he later becomes one of the best players in the league then we get to buy him off that club a few years down the line for £80m" clause, because they saw him as a player worth a million quid who Boro might make a bit of profit on.

In the near-impossible scenario that Man City put something in their agreement with Boro that then compels us to sell him to them, they'd have been on the phone to us last summer for whatever small amount you'd think a then-£1.5m player might be worth and doubled /tripled/quadrupled their money by selling him straight back to us.

Man City might buy him from us, but it'll be nothing to do with anything they agreed with Boro in 2023.

[ChicagoLion]

Dave I was just saying it is possible legally because some of the work I have been involved in does include the ability for a contractual right to pass through to another party.
I might be wrong in this case as my experience has not involved football players, but if such a right was able to pass through then Boro would be obligated to notify Villa and Villa would be deemed to accept such right. However enforceability might be an issue.

[PeterWithesShin]

There's no chance ManC get any money if we ever sell Rogers.

[Rudy Can't Fail]

Nobody gets any money as he's not for sale.

[cdbearsfan]

There's no chance ManC get any money if we ever sell Rogers.

They do if they have a sell-on clause with Boro. Because the fee they received from Boro changes if they get more money from us.

Likewise St Mirren get money from Hibs if we ever sell McGinn at a profit.

[Rudy Can't Fail]

There's no chance ManC get any money if we ever sell Rogers.

They do if they have a sell-on clause with Boro. Because the fee they received from Boro changes if they get more money from us.

Likewise St Mirren get money from Hibs if we ever sell McGinn at a profit.

Let's hope Boro have to wait as long as the Hibbies to get their money.