Lamare Bogarde

[Demitri_C]

You would have thought we lost the game by 2 or 3 juding by a lot of the social media comments.

He is young and learning. He will get better im almost certain of that under emery

[chrisw1]

I think he's struggling right now.  As Risso said it's reasonable to say he's not playing well enough right now without writing off his whole career.  Unai also clearly doesn't think Ned is quite ready. 

Now Carlos is injured we're in trouble and need Cash back asap.  We really needed a right back in the summer.  The 6 will be delighted FFP is doing it's job.

[London Villan]

He wants to play football - and has a bit of talent, which is probably why Emery has involved him so much.

His decision-making needs to improve, as does his positioning, but it's far too early to have a fully formed opinion of him I think.

I remember the same with Ramsey when he broke into the first team - it wasn't obvious where his talents lie and he looked a bit lost at times, but he is now a very good attacking midfielder with a defined style.

[Demitri_C]

I think he's struggling right now.  As Risso said it's reasonable to say he's not playing well enough right now without writing off his whole career.  Unai also clearly doesn't think Ned is quite ready. 

Now Carlos is injured we're in trouble and need Cash back asap.  We really needed a right back in the summer.  The 6 will be delighted FFP is doing it's job.

Yeah of course its absolutely ok to say he is not playing well. I think its the comments like "bogardes the worst" "worst player" "should never player for us again" these are the comments on social media where in my opinion are OTT.

Dont see much of that here thankfully

[Drummond]

Jesus, he's a kid and last night he wasn't learning from more experienced players but leading the defence.

[paul_e]

I think he's struggling right now.  As Risso said it's reasonable to say he's not playing well enough right now without writing off his whole career.  Unai also clearly doesn't think Ned is quite ready. 

Now Carlos is injured we're in trouble and need Cash back asap.  We really needed a right back in the summer.  The 6 will be delighted FFP is doing it's job.

Yeah of course its absolutely ok to say he is not playing well. I think its the comments like "bogardes the worst" "worst player" "should never player for us again" these are the comments on social media where in my opinion are OTT.

Dont see much of that here thankfully

I mostly agree but I do think some people need to stop and think about what a shit performance from a kid in his 4th game really looks like.

He got caught on the ball a few times and misplaced a few passes (5 out of 91) but a big part of that was down to him looking upand having no one to play the ball to. Many times over the 90 he had the ball at his feet and came to a standstill because nothing was happening in front of him but he wanted to be playing the ball into midfield.

Last night he was mostly decent but let himself down 2-3 times and had a bit of back luck for their goal but for some that's all it takes.

[Drummond]

He didn't let himself down. He learned.

[Stinkin_Thinkin]

Fans have such reactions they see young fullbacks like Bradley at liverpool, Lewis Hall (when)at chelsea come in and make an bigimpacts in big televised games and players like rico lewis with pundits gushing about him when he doesn't seem to do an awful lot.  Villa have injury problems Irobruen comes in doesn't pull up any trees and then two young lads get a shot at the RB role and neither of them looks convincing.
The big thing I noticed with Bogarde is he had a couple of moments against the toffee's where he had a chance to run at Ashley Young but he played a risk free square. It could be instruction. safety first instincts or he just didn't back himself which seemed strange. A young strong teenager one on one against a 39 year old late in the game? I'd be thinking "come on then grandad, you ready for some exercise?" The good thing is next summer Villa should get more than the usual 20m as he will have played a few more times including much coveted champions league than the likes of kellyman.

[Drummond]

The way we generally play on the right is that safety first style isn't it?

[Smithy]

Fans have such reactions they see young fullbacks like Bradley at liverpool, Lewis Hall (when)at chelsea come in and make an bigimpacts in big televised games and players like rico lewis with pundits gushing about him when he doesn't seem to do an awful lot.  Villa have injury problems Irobruen comes in doesn't pull up any trees and then two young lads get a shot at the RB role and neither of them looks convincing.
The big thing I noticed with Bogarde is he had a couple of moments against the toffee's where he had a chance to run at Ashley Young but he played a risk free square. It could be instruction. safety first instincts or he just didn't back himself which seemed strange. A young strong teenager one on one against a 39 year old late in the game? I'd be thinking "come on then grandad, you ready for some exercise?" The good thing is next summer Villa should get more than the usual 20m as he will have played a few more times including much coveted champions league than the likes of kellyman.

I'm convinced it's instruction.  Cash often does the same thing - stopping his run and passing back/inside when he's 1v1. My guess is the right-back is told to be more conservative when the left-back is the more attack-minded player (which is often the case with our set-up).

[paul_e]

Fans have such reactions they see young fullbacks like Bradley at liverpool, Lewis Hall (when)at chelsea come in and make an bigimpacts in big televised games and players like rico lewis with pundits gushing about him when he doesn't seem to do an awful lot.  Villa have injury problems Irobruen comes in doesn't pull up any trees and then two young lads get a shot at the RB role and neither of them looks convincing.
The big thing I noticed with Bogarde is he had a couple of moments against the toffee's where he had a chance to run at Ashley Young but he played a risk free square. It could be instruction. safety first instincts or he just didn't back himself which seemed strange. A young strong teenager one on one against a 39 year old late in the game? I'd be thinking "come on then grandad, you ready for some exercise?" The good thing is next summer Villa should get more than the usual 20m as he will have played a few more times including much coveted champions league than the likes of kellyman.

I'm convinced it's instruction.  Cash often does the same thing - stopping his run and passing back/inside when he's 1v1. My guess is the right-back is told to be more conservative when the left-back is the more attack-minded player (which is often the case with our set-up).

It's about creating an attacking formation. Against a back 4 the trend over recent years has been to get into a 325 as quickly as possible.

We do that by having the left back get high up the pitch, the left winger come 10yards inside, the 10 go into the same space on the right and the right winger holds their width - making the 5.

further back we either have the right back tuck in to make the 3 with the CMs in front or, when Kamara is playing, we sometimes let him fall back and give the right back a little more licence to get forward.

The issue with this right now is that with Bailey and Philogene out we didn't have that natural right winger so McGinn was in there but his instinct is more to step inside so we end up more like a 3214 and it's made us look a little out of shape.

[VillaTim]

Thought he looked better on the ball , he was done at Leicester for their goal, got caught square on rather than taking the winger out wide. He will learn . Same with Swinkels who can't let last nights error for the goal get to him, it's part of the learning curve at this stage . Remember Ugo in his early games and how good he became.

[Baldy]

Bogarde has got a lot of hard work in front of him if he wants to reach the levels we are aspiring too.

That hard work starts today.

I wish him the best in a game that is ruthless and has little room for sentimentality.

[Demitri_C]

He didn't let himself down. He learned.

Good post 👍

[caster troy]

Bogarde is an important player for us, Emery clearly sees this game time as an investment in the future.

- valuable in PSR terms as an academy product
- home grown for European registration (I think?)
- can cover three positions if needed
- he's quick, which is important for the high line and can't be taught unlike other defending attributes

It looks to me like we are grooming him as Konsa's backup, the way he plays there are a lot of similarities. He's nowhere near Konsa's level yet obviously but he is six years younger. He probably would have gone out on loan if we'd been able to sell Carlos and sign that Dutch fella. When that fell through I'm glad we decided to give him a chance rather than panic buy another defender (another Bednarek for example), I imagine he will play a lot less when Mings and Cash are fit, but will be better for having these games under his belt.