Man Utd vs Aston Villa post-match thread

[ChicagoLion]

I just don’t understand why Emery stood and watched whilst we were being taken apart.
It was reminiscent of Dan Smith.

[paul_e]

The big positive from the night was our first goal, having the player on the line but not interfering with play or the keeper in any way screwed with Onana. The ref/var tried really hard to find something to not give it but it was really clever.

For the 2nd we've also managed to trick a lot of teams into leaving space at the far post and not really got the rewards for it.

Pat on the back for McPhee for them both.

Over all I think that despite us playing poorly I think we had the better chances but never got the bit of luck they did for their 2nd and 3rd where a big dflection and a bit of pinball went in their favour, as always seems to happen to us there.

[SoccerHQ]

I always feel being 2-0 up and losing is a real bitter pill to swallow.  It should never happen given the standard we are playing at.  Seen it so many times and it never gets any easier.

Yep feel a hundred times worse than when Liverpool won 3-0 in September as we were never in that from start to finish. This also feels worse than the opening day even if that was traumatic in itself.

[BC Villain]

That was dreadful pretty much from the moment we scored the second goal. We ceded control and just never did anything about.

Love Doug, but he was woeful tonight. Den, Moreno, JJ, and DC were dreadful as well. Unai is brilliant, but got it wrong tonight and didn’t react to what was clearly happening.

That’s a real gut punch of a result, particularly after a fairly flat display against Sheffield Utd. Teams go through dips, and this one hurts, but we need show it’s a blip and come back strong.

Luiz has looked off without Kamara or Tielemans alongside him.

[kippaxvilla2]

BBC news sports roundup.  Liverpool go top?  No a club making up the numbers come back from 2 down.  Fcuk off you obsessive cnuts.

[Martyn Smith]

Why does he keep shoving Konsa out wide to RB to play a mediocre pairing at the back. Konsa is the best defender and the most comfortable on the ball out of those 3 and they get keep getting the shirts.  It's costing us.

Agree - lose defensive stability with him on the right. 

Right back is absolutely where we need to strengthen, if for no better reason that is means Konsa does not have to leave CB. Plus another striker for when Ollie is off form. Duran is either not ready or not good enough to dep

[LeonW]

One of the biggest disappointments on tonight was that we could and should have effectively knocked them out a chance to get champions league next season even at this early stage.

[AV82EC]

I just don’t understand why Emery stood and watched whilst we were being taken apart.
It was reminiscent of Dan Smith.

Whilst I agree to an extent you learn a lot about your players when things like this happen and I think we’ve still got a few without the necessary mentality for this shown in our sloppy and frankly passive play in that second half. Where I do agree is he should have dropped McGinn deeper where he could join the battle and swap Ramsey out earlier for someone with a semblance of form and fitness.

[Risso]

I always feel being 2-0 up and losing is a real bitter pill to swallow.  It should never happen given the standard we are playing at.  Seen it so many times and it never gets any easier.

Yep feel a hundred times worse than when Liverpool won 3-0 in September as we were never in that from start to finish. This also feels worse than the opening day even if that was traumatic in itself.

Yes, this was much, much worse than either of those two performances. An absolute sickener. I just hope it's not one of those like Stoke under O'Neill that has a knock on effect for the rest of the season. There's needs to be some stern words from Emery tonight, and two to three players dropping for Burnley. That display from Carlos was not acceptable tonight, he was a disgrace.

[RamboandBruno]

Playing McGinn that far forward was madness. He was hardly involved at all, and should have been dropped further back to support the midfield when it was clear we were being totally overrun.

Agreed, just required a swap with Bailey.

Both of you were saying McGinn should be further forwards after the Sheffield game.

[Somniloquism]

Why does he keep shoving Konsa out wide to RB to play a mediocre pairing at the back. Konsa is the best defender and the most comfortable on the ball out of those 3 and they get keep getting the shirts.  It's costing us.

Yes it cost us 6 points against Citeh and Arse.

But for today, if you want to name who should have been playing RB instead of Konsa I'm all ears. But hopefully we can actually get a RB in instead of wasting the second half of the season.

[ChicagoLion]

I always feel being 2-0 up and losing is a real bitter pill to swallow.  It should never happen given the standard we are playing at.  Seen it so many times and it never gets any easier.

Yep feel a hundred times worse than when Liverpool won 3-0 in September as we were never in that from start to finish. This also feels worse than the opening day even if that was traumatic in itself.

Yes, this was much, much worse than either of those two performances. An absolute sickener. I just hope it's not one of those like Stoke under O'Neill that has a knock on effect for the rest of the season. There's needs to be some stern words from Emery tonight, and two to three players dropping for Burnley. That display from Carlos was not acceptable tonight, he was a disgrace.

Yes Carlos was dreadful.
He played like he didn’t give a f***.

[Rudy Can't Fail]

Surprised that there has been little comment about just how poor McGinn was tonight, at both ends of the pitch. Thought he should have been replaced long before he was.

Probably due to the fact he was the only midfielder trying to take responsibility. Which brings me to Douglas Luiz, a Rolls Royce of a player 6-8 wekks ago. Now he's more like an Austin Princess. Anybody watching his recent performances and reading Villa rating him at £100m must be pissing themselves laughing. He'd be lucky to get half of that due to to recent holiday. On the beach sums him up.

Ramsey, it looks like we're making the same mistake Slippy Gee made, playing him into fitness. He looks at least a month away. No where near ready to start.

Same with Moreno, both of them look miles off. However, we don't really have any alternatives, especially now if Digne is out for a while.

I'm less concerned about Moreno. Tonight we really missed Watkins. Did he actually touch the ball tonight? There's a limit to a striker who contributes next to nothing. When he's scoring he's so involved, bringing others into play. Recently he's been doing a great job marking the opposition centre halves. Brilliant the way he sits between the two, keeping them quiet. He may as well not be there especially if we don't play to his limited though lethal strengths.

[VillaTim]

I always feel being 2-0 up and losing is a real bitter pill to swallow.  It should never happen given the standard we are playing at.  Seen it so many times and it never gets any easier.

Yep feel a hundred times worse than when Liverpool won 3-0 in September as we were never in that from start to finish. This also feels worse than the opening day even if that was traumatic in itself.

Yes, this was much, much worse than either of those two performances. An absolute sickener. I just hope it's not one of those like Stoke under O'Neill that has a knock on effect for the rest of the season. There's needs to be some stern words from Emery tonight, and two to three players dropping for Burnley. That display from Carlos was not acceptable tonight, he was a disgrace.

Yes Carlos was dreadful.
He played like he didn’t give a f***.

There were worse players out there

[Risso]

Playing McGinn that far forward was madness. He was hardly involved at all, and should have been dropped further back to support the midfield when it was clear we were being totally overrun.

Agreed, just required a swap with Bailey.

Both of you were saying McGinn should be further forwards after the Sheffield game.

You can be further forward than shielding the defence without playing up front. You know, that big bit in the middle of the park called midfield.