Aston Villa v Fulham Post-Match Thread

[Risso]

going to be 100% accurate if the sensors can tell the exact moment the ball loses contact with the passing players boot. It really boils my piss when commentators lazily say "you're either on or your off. Simple" Because it's not. It's really not.

Exactly, to get that accuracy it would need sensors in every player's boot and the ball, and I imagine that would be difficult to make foolproof seeing as the whole point of football is to twat the ball as hard as physically possible a lot of the time.

[Lastfootstamper]

How the Italian system works

https://www.wionews.com/sports/semi-automated-offside-var-at-serie-a-league-2022-2023-hunt-for-new-aia-president-544703

[Somniloquism]

The ball contains an accelerometer which is very sensitive, and the players on the whole pitch are monitored by multiple cameras to pin point their location and more important, the extremity location. Obviously more tech means more chance of failures of said tech which could mean game abandonment because a pigeon has shit on a camera.

It certainly wouldn't need a boot sensor, especially as headers are not done with a boot. The semi-auto is the positions and lines are all done in seconds, then the deliberation of whether interfering with play / deliberate play of the ball is made by the var ref/ on field ref.

[LeeB]

I'm not sure how precise the geo tags are these days but possibly a tag on the chest of each shirt that pinpoints the players and go off that.

No arms, legs or feet required. It can't be that far off.

[algy]

The expected result from this Fulham supporter, listened to the first half on the radio, probably sums up our season, hope second season doesn’t catch up with us, the only plus is that Jimenez got his first goal since the pandemic, hope you maintain your position around the the top, i would love it if you kept one of the so called big 6/7 out of the champion league places

Good luck for the rest of the season, Franky! For what it's worth, i think you're far more likely to end up mid table than in a relegation battle this year. Tricky season so far but the players you've got aren't that bad IMO. Rather have your squad than Everton's or Bournemouth's anyway!

[Somniloquism]

I'm not sure how precise the geo tags are these days but possibly a tag on the chest of each shirt that pinpoints the players and go off that.

No arms, legs or feet required. It can't be that far off.

Not precise enough. And even if they were, a player facing forwards chest would be ahead of a defender facing the other direction. So level would have to have a leeway of  a 12 inches or so, which is probably enough that a majority of the offsides we have caught players in might not be given as offside.

[Risso]

The ball contains an accelerometer which is very sensitive, and the players on the whole pitch are monitored by multiple cameras to pin point their location and more important, the extremity location. Obviously more tech means more chance of failures of said tech which could mean game abandonment because a pigeon has shit on a camera.

It certainly wouldn't need a boot sensor, especially as headers are not done with a boot. The semi-auto is the positions and lines are all done in seconds, then the deliberation of whether interfering with play / deliberate play of the ball is made by the var ref/ on field ref.

But the only way to obtain the absolute accuracy their ridiculous lines are aiming for is to know the exact moment when the ball stops being in contact with the player making the pass. Otherwise, a difference of a few millimetres might be the difference between the player being onside or not.

[stomper]

I don't understand how they make it so difficult.  Go back to the principal that VAR is there for clear and obvious mistakes.  Let the linesman make a call at the end of the play.  If the linesman thought it was onside then have a tolerance to advantage the attackers - say 10cm.  If not, use absolute lines and just make a much quicker decision!

[Risso]

I agree stomper. VAR was brought in to rule out clear and obvious errors, but on offside they've tried to be millimetre perfect.

[pablo_picasso]

I agree stomper. VAR was brought in to rule out clear and obvious errors, but on offside they've tried to be millimetre perfect.

Which is absolutely impossible given the frame rate of replays & the angles used to see when the ball is actually released...

Most of the focus seems to be on the player receiving the ball, but I don't think enough attention is given to the ball 'releaser' when they are attempting to be toenail fluff accurate...

[OCD]

The margins of error need to allow for that. That's when the essence of the law is being forgotten about.

[VillaTim]

The semi automated system seemed to work well at the World Cup.

[pablo_picasso]

The semi automated system seemed to work well at the World Cup.

Takes a few cameras to get the body positions, but even if we take the sensor at the centre of the football that detects the kick point, at least thats one area of offside that officials don't have to worry about.

All they are then concerned with is the position of the bodies, as the kick point is already calculated & is a baseline for every single footballer & every single kick forward.

And if we can insert the cameras that take the body & limb positions at a later date, then great...

But the kick point is a pretty important element of offside that is often overlooked due to the video technology not allowing for precise accuracy...

Which is a bit shit, when they are drawing lines the width of a gnats pube...

[The Edge]

The ball contains an accelerometer which is very sensitive, and the players on the whole pitch are monitored by multiple cameras to pin point their location and more important, the extremity location. Obviously more tech means more chance of failures of said tech which could mean game abandonment because a pigeon has shit on a camera.

It certainly wouldn't need a boot sensor, especially as headers are not done with a boot. The semi-auto is the positions and lines are all done in seconds, then the deliberation of whether interfering with play / deliberate play of the ball is made by the var ref/ on field ref.

Wait a minute. An accelerometer? That's what Mr Burns tells Smithers to press when he's chauffeuring him round in the Simpsons.

[VillaTim]

At the moment it's a shit show and any help from tech should be gratefully received