Aston Villa v Fulham Post-Match Thread

[PaulWinch again]

You shouldn’t need a load of debate on offside, it should be pretty much automated.

[VillaTim]

You shouldn’t need a load of debate on offside, it should be pretty much automated.

The system is available and used in some leagues. The EPL have refused to adopt it.

[Lastfootstamper]

Which leagues?

[GordonCowansisthegreatest]

You shouldn’t need a load of debate on offside, it should be pretty much automated.

The system is available and used in some leagues. The EPL have refused to adopt it.

It wouldn't give them room for "unconscious bias" or changing the rules of the game for a couple of weeks to suit.

[Lastfootstamper]

Plus, as it's interpreted now with interfering, touches from defenders, phases of play etc., there's too many variables for it to be a simple yes/no decision. It'll still need a decision from someone on the pitch.

[VillaTim]

You shouldn’t need a load of debate on offside, it should be pretty much automated.

The system is available and used in some leagues. The EPL have refused to adopt it.

It wouldn't give them room for "unconscious bias" or changing the rules of the game for a couple of weeks to suit.

Exactly

[VillaTim]

Which leagues?

Serie A , ECL, World Cup all use the semi automated system which would at least takeaway the idiots in stockley park drawing the lines incorrectly!

[Lastfootstamper]

I didn't realise they used it in Italy. Good. It has to be progressed. You can't put this genie back in the bottle.

I still don't think it should be used for anything else. Perceived objectivity derived through subjective consensus led to supposedly enlightened man spending eons believing spiders had six legs. Not good.

[pauliewalnuts]

The way VAR is implemented here is the worst of both worlds - it has solved a bunch of problems, but introduced a whole new, other bunch of (potentially larger) problems.

That audio footage from that Liverpool 'offside' at Spurs showed it - a total clusterfuck of people talking at the same time, no clearly defined method of communication whatsoever, and they had no idea what they were saying yes or no about. Added to that, the hilarity of realising 30 seconds later they'd fucked it up but 'we can't stop the match' - why not? You don't have any problem stopping matches for 4 or 5 minutes after a goal.

Then, to top it all, they were slapping each other on the back, "great process, guys".

Jesus fucking Christ. Where to begin with ineptitude like that? It isn't a problem of technology, it is the human element that is fucking it up.

I genuinely think that Spurs / Liverpool exchange would make a brilliant case study for management / business schools.

I am surprised Malcolm Gladwell hasn't already stuck it in a book somewhere.

[Risso]

The way VAR is implemented here is the worst of both worlds - it has solved a bunch of problems, but introduced a whole new, other bunch of (potentially larger) problems.

That audio footage from that Liverpool 'offside' at Spurs showed it - a total clusterfuck of people talking at the same time, no clearly defined method of communication whatsoever, and they had no idea what they were saying yes or no about. Added to that, the hilarity of realising 30 seconds later they'd fucked it up but 'we can't stop the match' - why not? You don't have any problem stopping matches for 4 or 5 minutes after a goal.

Then, to top it all, they were slapping each other on the back, "great process, guys".

Jesus fucking Christ. Where to begin with ineptitude like that? It isn't a problem of technology, it is the human element that is fucking it up.

I genuinely think that Spurs / Liverpool exchange would make a brilliant case study for management / business schools.

I am surprised Malcolm Gladwell hasn't already stuck it in a book somewhere.

Exactly. It's extraordinary that a multi-billion dollar business has something so utterly half-arsed. It's like they've bought the video technology, then just stuck 4 twats in a room and told them to get on with it.

[Somniloquism]

I wouldn't lump the video technician in with them. He did his job exemplary and was the only one to notice the actual refs fuckup.

[Risso]

I wouldn't lump the video technician in with them. He did his job exemplary and was the only one to notice the actual refs fuckup.

It's not actually any of the refs' fault either, whether on the pitch or in Stockley Park. The Premier League and PGMOL should have introduced a strict and defined procedure and rules of communication to be followed in all cases. Any football fan with half a brain could knock something up in 5 minutes. eg.

On field ref: "Goal scored by team X, the on field decision is to award the goal, please check for possible offside. Also possible foul by player Y in build up."
Head of VAR: "Understood, please pause restart whilst the video operators look at the offside and foul."
Head of VAR: "Video bloke, please check offside. Video bloke 2, please give your opinion on the possible foul."
Video bloke: "Lines drawn on goal scorer player Z following pass from Player A. No other players interfering with play. Lines indicate player Z was onside."
Video bloke 2: "Have checked foul, video replay inconclusive so has not passed the clear and obvious error threshold."
Head of VAR: "Are we all happy that the decision to award the goal is correct"
Video bloke: "Yes"
Video bloke 2: "Yes"
Head of Var: "Onfield ref, the desion to award the goal was correct, please restart play."

Everybody only talking when asked to contribute. Starts with the ref, and ends with the VAR chief, obviously with similar sequences depending on the situation.

[Drummond]

This will add even more time to a game if teams win their reviews and then they are able to have more reviews.

I felt positively about the idea previously but we'd just end up with a really annoying situation where teams would appeal just to waste time, stop the opposition's momentum or just to be annoying.

[The Edge]

Which leagues?

Serie A , ECL, World Cup all use the semi automated system which would at least takeaway the idiots in stockley park drawing the lines incorrectly!

We hear a lot about them doing var better across Europe but we had European officials for the AZ Alkmaar game and they screwed up badly. They've since apologised for disallowing the Lenglet goal and their goal was clearly offside but the lines appeared to be drawn in the wrong place. Using a  semi automated system might be better but it's not going to be perfect. Still open to debate. It's only going to be 100% accurate if the sensors can tell the exact moment the ball loses contact with the passing players boot. It really boils my piss when commentators lazily say "you're either on or your off. Simple" Because it's not. It's really not.

[The Edge]

The way VAR is implemented here is the worst of both worlds - it has solved a bunch of problems, but introduced a whole new, other bunch of (potentially larger) problems.

That audio footage from that Liverpool 'offside' at Spurs showed it - a total clusterfuck of people talking at the same time, no clearly defined method of communication whatsoever, and they had no idea what they were saying yes or no about. Added to that, the hilarity of realising 30 seconds later they'd fucked it up but 'we can't stop the match' - why not? You don't have any problem stopping matches for 4 or 5 minutes after a goal.

Then, to top it all, they were slapping each other on the back, "great process, guys".

Jesus fucking Christ. Where to begin with ineptitude like that? It isn't a problem of technology, it is the human element that is fucking it up.

I genuinely think that Spurs / Liverpool exchange would make a brilliant case study for management / business schools.

I am surprised Malcolm Gladwell hasn't already stuck it in a book somewhere.

Excellent rant mate. Spot on.