Aston Villa v Fulham Post-Match Thread

[Bully2345]

I've not seen it mentioned on here and most of us were nonplussed at the time but after the penalty was overturned why did the ref not give us the corner?

it was certainly a talking point in our sections, maybe he saw the ball rebound off Watkins on the replay? Did the ball not hit the defenders arm? I haven't seen it again.

Because once he blew for the penalty, the ball was effectively dead, so the fact that it went out after that didn't mean it was a corner.

I've watched it back. The ref blows after the ball has gone over the goal line. Surely that's the time when the ball is dead.

The protocol states the sequence of events, not the ball going out of play. The ref blowing for a penalty makes the ball dead from the point of the incident, not the ball crossing the line.

The referee applied that correctly so it would take a rule change to make it a corner post-VAR check

[ADVILLAFAN]

Whilst the delayed offside flag can be frustrating, it's much better than being given offside when it isn't.

So think it's something we just have to put up with.

[London Villan]

But linesman putting their flag up 30 seconds after the offence occurs is crazy. Let the game play to its conclusion then go back. Would that be better?

[Risso]

I've not seen it mentioned on here and most of us were nonplussed at the time but after the penalty was overturned why did the ref not give us the corner?

it was certainly a talking point in our sections, maybe he saw the ball rebound off Watkins on the replay? Did the ball not hit the defenders arm? I haven't seen it again.

Because once he blew for the penalty, the ball was effectively dead, so the fact that it went out after that didn't mean it was a corner.

I've watched it back. The ref blows after the ball has gone over the goal line. Surely that's the time when the ball is dead.

The protocol states the sequence of events, not the ball going out of play. The ref blowing for a penalty makes the ball dead from the point of the incident, not the ball crossing the line.

The referee applied that correctly so it would take a rule change to make it a corner post-VAR check

That's right. Say a couple of seconds after the penalty incident, the ball is hoofed up the other end and somebody lobs the keeper to score as the ref is blowing the whistle. The important point in time is the penalty being given, not what happens afterwards. If VAR then rules out the penalty, they're not then going to give the goal that was scored.

[London Villan]

Imagine if the ref was mic'd up - he'd be able to explain that and stop a load of te abuse. Same for the handball.

[ez]

Ok thanks. Just out of interest does the drop ball have to go to the defending team?

[VillaTim]

Imagine if the ref was mic'd up - he'd be able to explain that and stop a load of te abuse. Same for the handball.

it hit the blokes face not his hand , that was pretty clear on the TV replays

[Risso]

Ok thanks. Just out of interest does the drop ball have to go to the defending team?

Yep. From the Premier League rules site:

"If a penalty decision is overturned with no infringement by the attacking team, play will restart with an uncontested drop ball for the defending team."

[Risso]

Imagine if the ref was mic'd up - he'd be able to explain that and stop a load of te abuse. Same for the handball.

I'm not sure football fans will accept actual facts that readily to be honest.

[ez]

Just tough luck that we lose the attacking impetus because of the referee's mistake then.

[Somniloquism]

But linesman putting their flag up 30 seconds after the offence occurs is crazy. Let the game play to its conclusion then go back. Would that be better?

They are advised to delay the flag in case it leads to a goal. Then they put the flag up to advise that the on-field decision is offside even if a goal is scored so VAR has to confirm / deny it. If there isn't a goal scoring chance, but the ball is still in play, then they also flag as VAR wouldn't go back that far to call it.

[Somniloquism]

Imagine if the ref was mic'd up - he'd be able to explain that and stop a load of te abuse. Same for the handball.

it hit the blokes face not his hand , that was pretty clear on the TV replays

The sky commentators were adamant it was still handball on the initial replays as they had it from a different angle. It was only when the still image was shown to the ref of the ball hitting face that it was called back, (although there was nothing fully disproving the ball didn't brush arm then face before being deflected even in the still). close brackets.

I thought VAR rules were that the decisive images should then be shown to the TV audience which didn't seem to happen on MOTD at least

[Risso]

That VAR replay was a farce. I think it was the right decision, but seeing one still image couldn't possibly have demonstrated to the ref that he'd made an obvious error. You surely need to show what happened a couple of seconds before and after?

[London Villan]

But linesman putting their flag up 30 seconds after the offence occurs is crazy. Let the game play to its conclusion then go back. Would that be better?

They are advised to delay the flag in case it leads to a goal. Then they put the flag up to advise that the on-field decision is offside even if a goal is scored so VAR has to confirm / deny it. If there isn't a goal scoring chance, but the ball is still in play, then they also flag as VAR wouldn't go back that far to call it.

So wouldn't they be better not flagging at all?

If it's a goal and it was onside - the goal stands
If it's a goal, but offside this would be checked by VAR.

[Hookeysmith]

Persistent rotational fouling - our next home game opponents, they are the masters of it. Bet the ref does not take any action then either.

On another note - i love how SUE never bemoans officials, VAR decisions or even our shit injury list and just is respectful and takes what happens and focusses on the next game.  Love him