Aston Villa v Fulham Post-Match Thread

[rooboy316]

The ball was dead. I think play will always start with a drop ball when a penalty is given and then rescinded. They'd have to change the protocols to give a corner.

I don't think the referee got much wrong yesterday but he was getting pelters for every decision because of the VAR anger, even when he correctly pulled back a free kick when the ball was moving, for example

So the more equitable way to officiate this type of scenario is to let the ball go out for a corner and then ‘review’ if it was a penalty or not. Otherwise the attacking team is unduly robbed of a corner.

Then you have the scenario of allowing play to continue when it's offside in case there is a goal. And that still riles people up even though it's been four years

I see your point, but am not advocating for it to happen for all penalty shouts when play can go on for some time afterwards, a la offsides. Just for the very specific scenarios where deflections have gone out - it’s presumably an extra second or two delayed before the decision gets made?

[brontebilly]

I didn't realise Watkins cleared the ball that led to his goal. How fast he bombed forward when Bailey won the ball......

Ollie defends that front post really well these days. We don't concede that many at set piece time despite having very few players strong in the air, good coaching.

[Bully2345]

The ball was dead. I think play will always start with a drop ball when a penalty is given and then rescinded. They'd have to change the protocols to give a corner.

I don't think the referee got much wrong yesterday but he was getting pelters for every decision because of the VAR anger, even when he correctly pulled back a free kick when the ball was moving, for example

So the more equitable way to officiate this type of scenario is to let the ball go out for a corner and then ‘review’ if it was a penalty or not. Otherwise the attacking team is unduly robbed of a corner.

Then you have the scenario of allowing play to continue when it's offside in case there is a goal. And that still riles people up even though it's been four years

I see your point, but am not advocating for it to happen for all penalty shouts when play can go on for some time afterwards, a la offsides. Just for the very specific scenarios where deflections have gone out - it’s presumably an extra second or two delayed before the decision gets made?

I think there's common sense in that but writing the laws of football is pretty difficult to account for all scenarios so I guess they went with dead ball for everything when a penalty is rescinded. It's not perfect admittedly.

What they really need to be better at is explaining decisions in the ground. There was a lot of anger yesterday and most of it stemmed from that penalty scenario even though the referee was fine

[Nev]

I thought the ref was poor. He let Fulham get away with that cyclical fouling for the majority of the game, only producing yellows towards the end. I lost count of the times JMG was upended, a card would have certainly reduced this.

This sort of rotational fouling is far more of an issue than dissent or time wasting yet is permitted week after week. As is the delayed offside flag which is massively inconsistent and hugely infuriating.

[Lsvilla]

Although I agree that the ref did nothing wrong in reversing his decision and awarding the drop ball, I thought it helped get the crowd up early in the game which went on to help the overall atmosphere.

[darren woolley]

Good win and only three points off the top it's looking good for us.

[UK Redsox]

I thought the ref was poor. He let Fulham get away with that cyclical fouling for the majority of the game, only producing yellows towards the end. I lost count of the times JMG was upended, a card would have certainly reduced this.

This sort of rotational fouling is far more of an issue than dissent or time wasting yet is permitted week after week. As is the delayed offside flag which is massively inconsistent and hugely infuriating.

We were talking at the game about the Rugby Union approach of giving a warning to the captain about persistent (rotational) offending and then the next player gets carded, regardless of whether they've committed any previous fouls.

However, as we know from the 'moving a free kick forward 10 metres' experiment of a few years ago and the current refusal to introduce proper head injury assessments, football doesn't like using solutions from rugby.

[pablo_picasso]

Franky
If you could have put one of the chances away early in the second half it could have been a different result.
We looked a bit jaded and your boys played some good stuff after the break, you are really lacking that cutting edge which is a worry.
I think you have enough to visit us next season.
All the best.

your right that the story of our season, never got a reasonable replacement for Mitrovic, few crucial injuries in defence, I think we’ll probably be okay, only because the three promoted teams look pants, and I think all the players that over performed last season are struggling this season

Also.
I think Bassey is very good Centre half.

Cant pass the ball for shit though...

[Rigadon]

I thought the ref was poor. He let Fulham get away with that cyclical fouling for the majority of the game, only producing yellows towards the end. I lost count of the times JMG was upended, a card would have certainly reduced this.

This sort of rotational fouling is far more of an issue than dissent or time wasting yet is permitted week after week. As is the delayed offside flag which is massively inconsistent and hugely infuriating.

The delayed flag is maddening, but I was thinking yesterday that so many teams who are now playing the high line are able to do with more certainty than before because in most cases the decision is correct.  Without VAR I doubt those clubs would trust the officials to get marginal calls correct any more than 50% of the time. 

 

[London Villan]

It's more maddening when one linesman does it and the one on the other side doesn't.

How do you fix it though. If it's marginal when do you put up your flag - or do you run the move to its conclusion?

[olaftab]

I think VAR is essential for us as we deploy a very cute hi line however late flag punishes our clever play. Our defenders have to unnecessarily expand effort to defend illegal play. This is not good and and they need to fix it in favour of good football.

[olaftab]

Although I agree that the ref did nothing wrong in reversing his decision and awarding the drop ball, I thought it helped get the crowd up early in the game which went on to help the overall atmosphere.

The drop ball was wrong as the ball had gone out for a corner but I accept your point and yes it worked in our favour.

[Bully2345]

It's more maddening when one linesman does it and the one on the other side doesn't.

How do you fix it though. If it's marginal when do you put up your flag - or do you run the move to its conclusion?

The guidance is to put the flag up immediately if it's obvious but I have seen more reluctance to put the flag up this season as they're more scared of making mistakes and just pass it to VAR.

[ez]

I've not seen it mentioned on here and most of us were nonplussed at the time but after the penalty was overturned why did the ref not give us the corner?

it was certainly a talking point in our sections, maybe he saw the ball rebound off Watkins on the replay? Did the ball not hit the defenders arm? I haven't seen it again.

Because once he blew for the penalty, the ball was effectively dead, so the fact that it went out after that didn't mean it was a corner.

I've watched it back. The ref blows after the ball has gone over the goal line. Surely that's the time when the ball is dead.

[Mister E]

We were talking at the game about the Rugby Union approach of giving a warning to the captain about persistent (rotational) offending and then the next player gets carded, regardless of whether they've committed any previous fouls.

I used to do that when I reffed junior and local-league games. It worked remarkably well in reducing persistent fouling.