Away Tickets - What's the magic?

[VillaTim]

Of course there are people who’ve been to every game for 30 years - but not enough to sell
out every away allocation.

EVERY away game for 30 years , i doubt there are many at all in that criteria , a small handful perhaps

[frankmosswasmyuncle]

That makes it inherently unfair to people that might have been going to every away game for 30 years, suddenly denying them a ticket to Bournemouth next time because the ballot swallows it.

that's more of a Bournemouth issue for having a poxy tinpot ground/ away end. Many fans had been going to away games for 30 years just not EVERY SINGLE ONE !!! not everyone can do that and in no way should they be penalised and excluded as is the case currently

So who do you exclude so that you include someone else.
How organised/random should that be?

[VillaTim]

That makes it inherently unfair to people that might have been going to every away game for 30 years, suddenly denying them a ticket to Bournemouth next time because the ballot swallows it.

that's more of a Bournemouth issue for having a poxy tinpot ground/ away end. Many fans had been going to away games for 30 years just not EVERY SINGLE ONE !!! not everyone can do that and in no way should they be penalised and excluded as is the case currently

So who do you exclude so that you include someone else.
How organised/random should that be?

My suggestion was 70% to those with the best booking history on a first come first serve basis .
then 30% to a ballot to those in the above pool who missed out + ST holders + members.
I think that is more than fair.

[frankmosswasmyuncle]

Until "The Bournemouth Element" kicks in!

Luton allocation will probably be lower.
It's fair until you don't get a ticket I suppose.
Which is what this whole thread seems to be about!

[luke95]

Of course there are people who’ve been to every game for 30 years - but not enough to sell
out every away allocation.

EVERY away game for 30 years , i doubt there are many at all in that criteria , a small handful perhaps

Of course there are people who’ve been to every game for 30 years - but not enough to sell
out every away allocation.

EVERY away game for 30 years , i doubt there are many at all in that criteria , a small handful perhaps

Way more than a small handful, I good  couple of 100 at a guess .

[VillaTim]

Until "The Bournemouth Element" kicks in!

Luton allocation will probably be lower.
It's fair until you don't get a ticket I suppose.
Which is what this whole thread seems to be about!

exactly , no wonder those in the "away club" don't want the system changed

[frankmosswasmyuncle]

Until "The Bournemouth Element" kicks in!

Luton allocation will probably be lower.
It's fair until you don't get a ticket I suppose.
Which is what this whole thread seems to be about!

exactly , no wonder those in the "away club" don't want the system changed

I'm probably firmly rooted in the "away club", whatever that means, and I can't honestly say I don't want the system changed because there's no proposal to change it to something else.
Good luck to whoever comes up with the perfect solution to that one!
They've already made a few slight adjustments which should make it slightly better, but people are still complaining about it because they want to go NOW! Bollocks to all that building up a booking history etc, let's just get to the front....or whatever.
Whatever "system" they bring in - if they do - will simply be unfair to a different group of fans.

[VillaTim]

Of course there are people who’ve been to every game for 30 years - but not enough to sell
out every away allocation.

EVERY away game for 30 years , i doubt there are many at all in that criteria , a small handful perhaps

Of course there are people who’ve been to every game for 30 years - but not enough to sell
out every away allocation.

EVERY away game for 30 years , i doubt there are many at all in that criteria , a small handful perhaps

Way more than a small handful, I good  couple of 100 at a guess .

can't see it. That's 600 odd games , no illness, no holiday clash, no weddings funerals bhamitzvas, no travel problems, just cant see it.

[amfy]

Until "The Bournemouth Element" kicks in!

Luton allocation will probably be lower.
It's fair until you don't get a ticket I suppose.
Which is what this whole thread seems to be about!

exactly , no wonder those in the "away club" don't want the system changed

But it’s fair by the same token to say that’s why those that aren’t in it do want it changed! It’s only the same self-interest on the other side of the coin.

There aren’t easy answers, & 30% is far too big a ballot in the current circumstances. It would exclude too many who have made a lot of sacrifices to build perfect booking histories.
Even those who have bought 19 and only personally attended 16, are still way ahead of me.

Maybe making the criteria slightly lower, (e.g starting at 16, or even a little less) would actually still provide first dibs to the same people, because there is virtually no one between all & nothing….

……but this could potentially have a spin off effect of reducing the number of people who feel they need to go to every away game because they wouldn’t lose their priority, and free up some tickets for the more casual, or new, away supporter again.

…& Frank…it’s not about not being bothered to build up a booking history… we simply can’t. We might be able to get one on big cup allocations, but nothing thats going to get you to a league game, ever, on our own booking history under the current system. The last season in the championship I went to about 6-10 games as I had for years, and I haven’t had a look in since.

[frankmosswasmyuncle]

Until "The Bournemouth Element" kicks in!

Luton allocation will probably be lower.
It's fair until you don't get a ticket I suppose.
Which is what this whole thread seems to be about!

exactly , no wonder those in the "away club" don't want the system changed

But it’s fair by the same token to say that’s why those that aren’t in it do want it changed! It’s only the same self-interest on the other side of the coin.

There aren’t easy answers, & 30% is far too big a ballot in the current circumstances. It would exclude too many who have made a lot of sacrifices to build perfect booking histories.
Even those who have bought 19 and only personally attended 16, are still way ahead of me.

Maybe making the criteria slightly lower, (e.g starting at 16, or even a little less) would actually still provide first dibs to the same people, because there is virtually no one between all & nothing….

……but this could potentially have a spin off effect of reducing the number of people who feel they need to go to every away game because they wouldn’t lose their priority, and free up some tickets for the more casual, or new, away supporter again.

…& Frank…it’s not about not being bothered to build up a booking history… we simply can’t. We might be able to get one on big cup allocations, but nothing thats going to get you to a league game, ever, on our own booking history under the current system. The last season in the championship I went to about 6-10 games as I had for years, and I haven’t had a look in since.

amfy, I didn't say people couldn't be bothered....they just seem to want to overlook it, pretend it doesn't exist, doesn't matter, shouldn't be a factor.
I know the system very well and how it works but I simply don't know how it can be "improved", and for who exactly? If we choose to include a certain group of fans then you do so by excluding others. The fact that the demand is there is great, but the supply just can't meet it.
As a good mate said a few weeks ago, "All this was much easier when we were shit".

[VillaTim]

There's not only the issue of the closed shop but also those within the ringfence who are abusing the system .

[Ads]

That makes it inherently unfair to people that might have been going to every away game for 30 years, suddenly denying them a ticket to Bournemouth next time because the ballot swallows it.

that's more of a Bournemouth issue for having a poxy tinpot ground/ away end. Many fans had been going to away games for 30 years just not EVERY SINGLE ONE !!! not everyone can do that and in no way should they be penalised and excluded as is the case currently

Your idea would exclude the most loyal fans at the expense of others at the smaller allocation grounds. You seem to post solely to try and wind up on this subject, which is no surprise really given you've been banned twice before.

[amfy]

Until "The Bournemouth Element" kicks in!

Luton allocation will probably be lower.
It's fair until you don't get a ticket I suppose.
Which is what this whole thread seems to be about!

exactly , no wonder those in the "away club" don't want the system changed

But it’s fair by the same token to say that’s why those that aren’t in it do want it changed! It’s only the same self-interest on the other side of the coin.

There aren’t easy answers, & 30% is far too big a ballot in the current circumstances. It would exclude too many who have made a lot of sacrifices to build perfect booking histories.
Even those who have bought 19 and only personally attended 16, are still way ahead of me.

Maybe making the criteria slightly lower, (e.g starting at 16, or even a little less) would actually still provide first dibs to the same people, because there is virtually no one between all & nothing….

……but this could potentially have a spin off effect of reducing the number of people who feel they need to go to every away game because they wouldn’t lose their priority, and free up some tickets for the more casual, or new, away supporter again.

…& Frank…it’s not about not being bothered to build up a booking history… we simply can’t. We might be able to get one on big cup allocations, but nothing thats going to get you to a league game, ever, on our own booking history under the current system. The last season in the championship I went to about 6-10 games as I had for years, and I haven’t had a look in since.

amfy, I didn't say people couldn't be bothered....they just seem to want to overlook it, pretend it doesn't exist, doesn't matter, shouldn't be a factor.
I know the system very well and how it works but I simply don't know how it can be "improved", and for who exactly? If we choose to include a certain group of fans then you do so by excluding others. The fact that the demand is there is great, but the supply just can't meet it.
As a good mate said a few weeks ago, "All this was much easier when we were shit".

What you did say was something along the lines of ‘they want it now….bollocks to building up a booking history, they just want to get to the front’ which is where I inferred the implication people couldn’t be bothered to build up a booking history. I don’t want to get to the front, I understand why the people who are at the front are at the front & I think most people in my position would say the same.

I am wondering though whether they actually need a starting point for sales to be set so high, when they could set the first sale lower, and everyone who goes now would still be at the front, but with an option of missing a few games without losing their place at the front. In turn, this could free up some tickets for less frequent or new away fans.

[HolteL4]

The system currently only recognises relatively recent loyalty . Where is the recognition for fans who went through years of stress following the team all over the place under the likes of O'Leary Lambert & McLeish.
I agree with some of the points above , recognise loyalty but maybe a larger % goes to ballot so that more people get a realistic chance. Also maybe when someone has won a ballot maybe they then can't enter another ballot for 3 months for example.

We are the ones in the closed shop mate, you know the ones that you want cut in half so that new fans can replace.... Finally Heck has revealed himself on this site.

I think a fair system would be 70% based on booking history / 30% ballott .

Oh so only 30% of the fans who went through the years you mentioned instead of the original 50%. Give up Chris Heck leave and take TV and LG with you

[ChicagoLion]

It’s obvious, the small allocation grounds should not be balloted.
There is no perfect system but there are too many disadvantages with the current set up.