2024 January transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

[Tokyo Sexwhale]

There are quite a few savings we can make before thinking about selling Dougie.

Not buying Lenglet and Zaniolo and getting their salaries off the books - £10m
Selling the deadwood - Olsen, Dendoncker, Sanson, Chambers, Hause, Traore - £10-£15m + wages
Selling Digne, and replacing with a lower cost backup left back - £10m + £6m a year wages
Selling Carlos

They might even consider Jacob Ramsey, purely from an FFP perspective.

I'm not sure we have a lot of youngsters left that we could sell on for big money - Louie Barry maybe £8-£10m would be a punt for a top end Championship club, maybe?

Of course we'd have to buy replacements who give you more bang for the buck; but that's Monchi's job.

[Ads]

Would we not have to buy a replacement for Carlos?

[ChicagoLion]

No one would have expected the inferior Caicedo to go for £100m.

That drunken sailor has left the bar.

[paul_e]

There are quite a few savings we can make before thinking about selling Dougie.

Not buying Lenglet and Zaniolo and getting their salaries off the books - £10m
Selling the deadwood - Olsen, Dendoncker, Sanson, Chambers, Hause, Traore - £10-£15m + wages
Selling Digne, and replacing with a lower cost backup left back - £10m + £6m a year wages
Selling Carlos

They might even consider Jacob Ramsey, purely from an FFP perspective.

I'm not sure we have a lot of youngsters left that we could sell on for big money - Louie Barry maybe £8-£10m would be a punt for a top end Championship club, maybe?

Of course we'd have to buy replacements who give you more bang for the buck; but that's Monchi's job.

I don't think there is any plan to sign Lenglet.
Zaniolo is a tough one, it can't be many more appearances before we have to sign him but do we want to leave ourselve s aplayer short to dodge that?
Olsen would need to be replaced, problaby not much saving to be had there.
Dendonkcer would need to be replaced and runs the risk of us taking a hit on his book value as we'd need at least £8m for him.
Agree on the other 4 and we'd make enough on them all to at least not be selling below their amortised values.
Digne yeah, probably a decent call but he's had a good season so the replacement would need to be quality, most of the savings would be wages though because of his fee.
Carlos, like Dendoncker, I think we'd struggle to get enough to cover his amortised value.

That whole group would net us maybe £20-25m, not terrible but not enough to make a huge difference.

[Brazilian Villain]

It's not happening anyway so don't panic

I'm like that wrt Villa Park's seats being moved closer together.

[pablo_picasso]

If we are tight on FFP, we will be in the old position of selling somebody like Luiz, because we need the money and we can’t match his ambitions.

If there’s truth in the rumour Man City want him for £100m I can see that happening.

We'd be mad to turn £100m down for him if anyone offered that, whilst he's been very good every player has a price and that would be excellent business

And yet, playing right into the hands of the media favourite status quo clubs & fuck all changes...

It's not happening anyway so don't panic

Im not. I am merely responding to the content & context of your post...

[Drummond]

It’s a 3 year rolling calculation, so you go into the new financial year knowing your likely budget, obviously a cup run or selling a player can have a positive effect.
But if you gamble on a big signing or signings knowing that will take you into negative territory then you get punished.
Just like in any business, a calculated risk that can be mitigated is fine, gambling is not.

Yeah, so it's as I thought. You would be aware of how close you are to the line every window, and you'd be able to calculate going forward what any big spend would likely mean in the future, in terms of being a massive risk or a good investment. I'd imagine going forward January windows are going to be generally quite low key. We're already seeing that across the leagues this year.

I bet Sky Sports are massively pissed off with it.

Thats the thing that raises a smile about the whole situation...

Yeah, maybe they will go a bit beige instead of yellow this year.

[pablo_picasso]

It’s a 3 year rolling calculation, so you go into the new financial year knowing your likely budget, obviously a cup run or selling a player can have a positive effect.
But if you gamble on a big signing or signings knowing that will take you into negative territory then you get punished.
Just like in any business, a calculated risk that can be mitigated is fine, gambling is not.

Yeah, so it's as I thought. You would be aware of how close you are to the line every window, and you'd be able to calculate going forward what any big spend would likely mean in the future, in terms of being a massive risk or a good investment. I'd imagine going forward January windows are going to be generally quite low key. We're already seeing that across the leagues this year.

I bet Sky Sports are massively pissed off with it.

Thats the thing that raises a smile about the whole situation...

Yeah, maybe they will go a bit beige instead of yellow this year.

And Jim fucking White will be choking on his yellow tie... 😉

[VillaTim]

If we are tight on FFP, we will be in the old position of selling somebody like Luiz, because we need the money and we can’t match his ambitions.

If there’s truth in the rumour Man City want him for £100m I can see that happening.

We'd be mad to turn £100m down for him if anyone offered that, whilst he's been very good every player has a price and that would be excellent business

And yet, playing right into the hands of the media favourite status quo clubs & fuck all changes...

It's not happening anyway so don't panic

Im not. I am merely responding to the content & context of your post...

Even if it did happen, imagine Emery / Monchi with a £100m , I'd be confident we'd be improving overall

[ozzjim]

I do wonder as well, if Rodgers comes in, then Zaniolo may head back to Gala, with Villa using the second loan spot on another audition for the summer. Maybe Rayna who has been linked.... or maybe left field - Phillips with an eye on replacing Doug come the summer on loan for 6 months.

Takes self off to wash mouth out and apologise for my ways.

[pauliewalnuts]

Replacing Dougie with Kalvin Phillips would be like when we replaced Milner with Stephen Ireland.

[Gareth]

Replacing Dougie with Kalvin Phillips would be like when we replaced Milner with Stephen Ireland.

Agree, back in the day a very decent player, 2 years of inaction he can be someone else’s problem to rehabilitate

[LukeJames]

Calvin Phillips gives off Drinkwater vibes.

[brontebilly]

Don't be too hard on Ramsey, after an extended injury it takes weeks to get anywhere near the fitness required for the premiership. His sharness is missing and that will come, if he were to be put on the market all top clubs would be after him, he's that good.

Absolutely, he's struggling this season but he's a cracking player. Even that day against Brighton when he came on the difference he made to the team was ridiculous. Unfortunately that was the only time this season really that he made a big impact. I don't think this kid from Boro is going to get anywhere near Ramsey's best, this season anyway.

Without hearing about FFP, it just seems strange to me why we didn't put that investment and effort into improving Aaron Ramsey.

It might be as simple as Emery and the coaching staff couldn’t really see it with A Ramsey, he hasn’t really pulled up any trees at Burnley. To be honest I don’t know anything about Rogers and can’t remember him against us a few weeks ago. Guess in Emery we trust.

Guess the most obvious answer is likely the correct one, Emery just didn't rate AR enough and then the inventive of FFP benefits were enough for us to take the cash. Physically he definitely has work to do to mix it at PL level, like his brother can. But he has plenty of technical ability so I thought it was a strange decision. He would have got lots of minutes for us too with his brother's injuries and Zaniolo flopping.

[nigel]

If we are tight on FFP, we will be in the old position of selling somebody like Luiz, because we need the money and we can’t match his ambitions.

If there’s truth in the rumour Man City want him for £100m I can see that happening.

We'd be mad to turn £100m down for him if anyone offered that, whilst he's been very good every player has a price and that would be excellent business

And yet, playing right into the hands of the media favourite status quo clubs & fuck all changes...

Talking of 3 year cycles, we’ve got a £99.5m loss dropping off the accounts this year, so that’s good.

If Percy is correct, and I’ve no doubt he is, I think we can breath easy regarding selling our better players.