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Re: Aston Villa vs Crystal Palace Post-Match
« Reply #360 on: September 18, 2023, 10:54:46 AM »
Re Kamara, while sitting on the bench.

To me it looked as is he was reflecting on his performance, purely based on the same vacant look I end up with when things have not gone according to my plans.

I hope it was not him being annoyed with being substituted, as it was obvious when we lost our composure that his performance, at that time, was not particularly great and he is capable of much better displays.

If he adapts, then he will improve. If not he may become another Buendia, good and frustrating in equal measure and always one that will be targeted for substitution.

I might be wrong but I didn’t think he got taken off because of his performance, but more because Emery decided we didn’t need a 6 on the pitch anymore given Palaces tactics of sotting deep.

I think you might be right, Kamara wasn't having a great game but a big part of that was that he had nothing much to do of the job that he's really there for. I think he was asked to keep an eye on Eze which also meant he ended up out of position a lot as Eze was playing on the left for them.
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Re: Aston Villa vs Crystal Palace Post-Match
« Reply #361 on: September 18, 2023, 10:59:32 AM »
So did Crooks only include Dougie so he could rant about the penalty?

Yes. When he includes a player, but barely talks about the performance, he has done it so he can comment on some other item.

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Re: Aston Villa vs Crystal Palace Post-Match
« Reply #362 on: September 18, 2023, 11:01:49 AM »
So did Crooks only include Dougie so he could rant about the penalty?

Yes. When he includes a player, but barely talks about the performance, he has done it so he can comment on some other item.

It's been a long time since i've even looked at his team of the week without seeing it mentioned on here, the guy is an imbecile who should've had that job taken away years ago.

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Re: Aston Villa vs Crystal Palace Post-Match
« Reply #363 on: September 18, 2023, 11:04:01 AM »
He's literally a swivel eyed loon.

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Re: Aston Villa vs Crystal Palace Post-Match
« Reply #364 on: September 18, 2023, 11:05:27 AM »
This is a really good look at the penalty. Ollie clearly touches the ball and then gets taken out. There isn’t much more to discuss.

https://x.com/maxcpfc21/status/1703140513493250084?s=46

Look at the defenders hand too, he's pulling on Watkins' arm.

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Re: Aston Villa vs Crystal Palace Post-Match
« Reply #365 on: September 18, 2023, 11:09:10 AM »
Well I had never heard of it before so I thought it was just some trendy saying.  But it doesn’t even describe what it actually is.  A low block is either a three storey dwelling or a driveway paving arrangement.

It was something I noticed when Emma Hayes was commentating, she kept saying "defending low" & using the word "transition" over & over.

Which would suggest that female coaches use some differing terminology than males.

Not sure why terms like "defending deep" needs to be changed, but "transition" is a good way of describing teams transferring possession.

Im not a fan of Emma Hayes. Granted she is successful, but she just reminds me of Lee Hendrie when talking.

I like Alex Scott. Insightful.

Just hearing Alex Scott's voice irritates me beyond what is reasonable.

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Re: Aston Villa vs Crystal Palace Post-Match
« Reply #366 on: September 18, 2023, 11:44:00 AM »
'Low block' and 'transitions' do get used in men's coaching too.

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Re: Aston Villa vs Crystal Palace Post-Match
« Reply #367 on: September 18, 2023, 11:56:51 AM »
Garth Crooks talks about needing 5 minutes to decide whether it was a penalty but the penalty was given and they spent 5 minutes trying to work out whether there was enough evidence to overrule the decision. Darren England concluded that there wasn't.

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Re: Aston Villa vs Crystal Palace Post-Match
« Reply #368 on: September 18, 2023, 12:02:13 PM »
Zero discussion on Ref Watch this morning which tells you that as far as Gallagher was concerned there was nothing even worthy of debate.  No doubt the BBC luvvies will still spout there nonsense. 

Only issue from the Villa game raised, was the Villa shout for a penalty for hamd ball - understandably no penalty was the verdict.

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Re: Aston Villa vs Crystal Palace Post-Match
« Reply #369 on: September 18, 2023, 12:02:48 PM »
Regardless of whether he touched the ball first or not, he took out Watkins straight after and thus denied him the opportunity to score. If the ball had moved away then I get why it wouldn't be a penalty as the challenge would have been merited. But it wasn't.

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Re: Aston Villa vs Crystal Palace Post-Match
« Reply #370 on: September 18, 2023, 12:04:55 PM »
Garth Crooks talks about needing 5 minutes to decide whether it was a penalty but the penalty was given and they spent 5 minutes trying to work out whether there was enough evidence to overrule the decision. Darren England concluded that there wasn't.

This aspect was also misunderstood by the Palace coach who unwittingly disproved their own argument as the Ref saw nothing in those five minutes to change his mind that the correct decision was a penalty.

Crooks makes a fool of himself by presenting it as a travesty of justice.

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Re: Aston Villa vs Crystal Palace Post-Match
« Reply #371 on: September 18, 2023, 12:15:02 PM »
Just hearing Alex Scott's voice irritates me beyond what is reasonable.

Emma Hayes, Lee Hendrie & Andy Hinchcliffe do that to me...

Well I had never heard of it before so I thought it was just some trendy saying.  But it doesn’t even describe what it actually is.  A low block is either a three storey dwelling or a driveway paving arrangement.

It was something I noticed when Emma Hayes was commentating, she kept saying "defending low" & using the word "transition" over & over.

Which would suggest that female coaches use some differing terminology than males.

Not sure why terms like "defending deep" needs to be changed, but "transition" is a good way of describing teams transferring possession.

Im not a fan of Emma Hayes. Granted she is successful, but she just reminds me of Lee Hendrie when talking.

I like Alex Scott. Insightful.
I like Alex Scott too. IMO the best pundit on TV, as you said she tends to be a tad more insightful than the usual ex-pros.

As for the terminology, maybe it's crept in from US terms via a combination of increasing use of stats (which I imagine take some cues from US sport) and also women's 'soccer' having a bigger US influence so maybe the terms are just more common there?

I don't think it matters. I prefer the older terms personally, but it doesn't bother me if people use different words. Not the end of the world, is it?

Souness is a bitter old twat.

I quite like Eni Aluko too.

There is a documentary about a new female team being set up in America that I watched where she was director of football for them for a while. She stood for nothing other than the best, which clashed with the coach a little. I think the role was probably the wrong timing for her. I don't doubt she could be really good at the job, but to demand so much as a startup, seemed overly ambitious. I would like to see her do the role at a more established club & see how she does.

And thats a good point regarding it maybe coming from America to female coaches.

Agreed about it not being the end of the world. I quite like the term "transition".
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Re: Aston Villa vs Crystal Palace Post-Match
« Reply #372 on: September 18, 2023, 12:17:55 PM »
You're on your own there pal.

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Re: Aston Villa vs Crystal Palace Post-Match
« Reply #373 on: September 18, 2023, 12:20:04 PM »
Eni Aluko is a wrong 'un.

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Re: Aston Villa vs Crystal Palace Post-Match
« Reply #374 on: September 18, 2023, 12:26:26 PM »
Just to clarify - from Garth Crooks:
Douglas Luiz (Aston Villa): I thought that Crystal Palace assistant manager Paddy McCarthy's analysis on the penalty awarded to Villa was spot on. Any referee who needs five minutes to make a decision must have sufficient doubts, but that didn't stop Darren England from compounding his error of judgment.

And yet the rules to overturn his decision mean that the error has to be "clear & obvious".

Any referee who needs five minutes to make a decision must not see a "clear & obvious" error.

Therefore, penalty...

And thats without the fact that it was still a penalty, with or without VAR, because feathering the ball with your toenail fluff & then going through the man to kick the ball means that its a foul whichever way you look at it.

And Im not convinced he even got his toenail fluff on the ball tbh...

 


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