Clement Lenglet - Confirmed (On Loan)

[chrisw1]

Bednarek has 155 PL appearances and 50 senior caps for Poland.  He was no Maldini, but Lenglet's form in recent seasons has been something of a joke. 

Perhaps their ceilings are very different, but I'm not that uncomfortable with the comparison.

Of course, Unai is exceptional and may help him become an excellent player.  It's just not something I'm expecting or counting on.

[Rudy Can't Fail]

Maybe apart from being back up to Torres (and Mings) he may be used as a defensive midfielder where his lack of pace won't be so exposed and his passing ability utilised.

[Toronto Villa]

I’m going to go with who is signing him versus what we’ve seen at Spurs or this perceived lack of pace. Positional awareness takes care of a lot of the pace concerns. Nether Carlos or Torres are fast but given our defence acts as a disciplined unit we rely less on pace, and more on structure and discipline.

[Dave]

Given that our loan quota will be filled with him and Zaniolo, I'm surprised that we're using our second on another centre-back.

Unless we're buying a forward, still feels like we're one body short there.

We're allowed 7 players on loan. The 2 rule is for loans between English/someWelsh clubs. There's some kind of Brexit related exemption thing for European players too, but I don't understand it, and it still ends up with us being allowed 7 in total.

What are you citing for that?

The Premier League site says "Premier League clubs may not register more than two players on loan at any one time. The maximum number of loans registrable in the same season is four, and, under no circumstances, shall more than one be from the same club at any one time"

FIFA have their own rules, which say seven in and seven out (down from eight last season), but they don't override the Premier League ones above as far as I can tell.

[chrisw1]

I’m going to go with who is signing him versus what we’ve seen at Spurs or this perceived lack of pace. Positional awareness takes care of a lot of the pace concerns. Nether Carlos or Torres are fast but given our defence acts as a disciplined unit we rely less on pace, and more on structure and discipline.

We haven't seen our Mingless defence come under any serious pressure yet.  His recovery pace got our high line out the shit countless times and I'm not sure quite how we're going to cope without it.  We'll find out over the next few weeks.

[AV84]

What are you citing for that?

The Premier League site says "Premier League clubs may not register more than two players on loan at any one time. The maximum number of loans registrable in the same season is four, and, under no circumstances, shall more than one be from the same club at any one time"

FIFA have their own rules, which say seven in and seven out (down from eight last season), but they don't override the Premier League ones above as far as I can tell.

Yeah, my mistake. The 7 in 7 out is FIFA. Prem allows 4 in a season, but only ever 2 at a time, apparently. Although on the Premier League site it does seem to specify loans between English clubs.

[Dave]

What are you citing for that?

The Premier League site says "Premier League clubs may not register more than two players on loan at any one time. The maximum number of loans registrable in the same season is four, and, under no circumstances, shall more than one be from the same club at any one time"

FIFA have their own rules, which say seven in and seven out (down from eight last season), but they don't override the Premier League ones above as far as I can tell.

Yeah, my mistake. The 7 in 7 out is FIFA. Prem allows 4 in a season, but only ever 2 at a time, apparently. Although on the Premier League site it does seem to specify loans between English clubs.

Yeah, I saw that and it did make me second-guess whether it was just Premier League --> Premier League.

You'd imagine though that if clubs could do that many, lots of them would - particularly those at risk of relegation.

[Risso]

AV84 is correct, the 2/4 rule only applies to loans between Premier League  and other English clubs. It doesn't apply to loans from overseas, so we can get more if we wanted. The PL rules state that players from overseas clubs are not subject to the relevant rules. For some reason it won't let me copy and paste the relevant bit.


edit: as mentioned in this article. https://sqaf.club/premier-league-loan-rules/

[AV84]

When I was looking into it I saw a thing that said a few seasons ago Chelsea had 49 players out on loan.

[paul_e]

I’m going to go with who is signing him versus what we’ve seen at Spurs or this perceived lack of pace. Positional awareness takes care of a lot of the pace concerns. Nether Carlos or Torres are fast but given our defence acts as a disciplined unit we rely less on pace, and more on structure and discipline.

Torres isn't fast? Are you sure about that one - https://ronaldo.com/football-news/top-5-fastest-la-liga-players-this-season/2/

[Risso]

Don't what's happened to him then, because he clearly isn't very quick now. Been easily outpaced a few times.

[Gareth]

Bednarek has 155 PL appearances and 50 senior caps for Poland.  He was no Maldini, but Lenglet's form in recent seasons has been something of a joke. 

Perhaps their ceilings are very different, but I'm not that uncomfortable with the comparison.

Of course, Unai is exceptional and may help him become an excellent player.  It's just not something I'm expecting or counting on.

I’d disagree, if Lenglet has been chosen by Emery / Monchi as a player who can bring something to the squad then he is infinitely better than Bednarek who was clearly what they could get rather than want.

Let’s judge him on what he does for Villa rather than the perception of what he did at a car crash Spurs in front of a v poor goalkeeper and in a very average defensive unit.

[Toronto Villa]

I’m going to go with who is signing him versus what we’ve seen at Spurs or this perceived lack of pace. Positional awareness takes care of a lot of the pace concerns. Nether Carlos or Torres are fast but given our defence acts as a disciplined unit we rely less on pace, and more on structure and discipline.

Torres isn't fast? Are you sure about that one - https://ronaldo.com/football-news/top-5-fastest-la-liga-players-this-season/2/

He might be fast over a distance, but in small, tight areas he’s been beaten which is a lot of the game in the PL. Part of it might be him just getting used to the PL or general fitness and positional awareness as he’s got used to the game here.

[chrisw1]

Bednarek has 155 PL appearances and 50 senior caps for Poland.  He was no Maldini, but Lenglet's form in recent seasons has been something of a joke. 

Perhaps their ceilings are very different, but I'm not that uncomfortable with the comparison.

Of course, Unai is exceptional and may help him become an excellent player.  It's just not something I'm expecting or counting on.

I’d disagree, if Lenglet has been chosen by Emery / Monchi as a player who can bring something to the squad then he is infinitely better than Bednarek who was clearly what they could get rather than want.

Let’s judge him on what he does for Villa rather than the perception of what he did at a car crash Spurs in front of a v poor goalkeeper and in a very average defensive unit.

These types of posts make a forum redundant.  Of course we'll judge him on what he does at Villa, but if we can't comment on a player based on reputation, form, history etc just because we've got a decent manager, then what's the point?

If you've got an opinion on what you've seen or heard about him from his time at Barca and Spurs, then great.  If it's just based on 'Emery can do no wrong' then it adds nothing.

[Brend'Watkins]

I'm a little surprised at how un-fast Torres is but it isn't an issue or might not be because like all good players of his type what they lack in pace they make up for with their other attributes as he's already shown. I don't have any recollection of Lengelet's time at Tottenham but he had a fair few appearances there so can't be a complete duffer.

Anyway, in Unai we trust.