Newcastle United vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread

[VillaTim]

It was a masterclass in headless chicken performing from start to finish. Embarrassing to watch.

[AV84]

For me the strangest choice of the day was taking McGinn off and replacing him with Carlos after 64 minutes and we'd only just gone 3-1 down. It was the last half hour where we just fell apart completely. We were still in it until that point, and even when the goal went in I thought if we get one back quickly enough there's plenty of time to push for the draw.
I know McGinn wasn't doing much but move him to the other side, or replace him with an attacking player. Emery either has no faith in any of our subs at that point, or he thought we were playing a 2 leg tie.

I wasn't sure why he took off McGinn, but I can sure as hell see why he brought on Carlos: he had to give the guy some minutes, given the loss of Mings! I'd have taken off Cash for Carlos.

Yeah, that's a fair point. Maybe 40 minutes of Konsa and Torres was enough for Emery to start planning ahead.

[JUAN PABLO]

Dermot Gallagher sticking up for VAR/refs again on sky today


INCIDENT:

‘Newcastle’s second goal through Alexander Isak was subject to an offside check. No lines here – who is playing Sven Botman onside and why were no lines drawn?’

DERMOT GALLAGHER SAYS:

“RIGHT CALL.

“Burn isn’t offside and he plays it to Isak to score. Botman is in an offside position but doesn’t take part in the move.

“People will say he does because he blocks off Cash but the feeling is Cash ran into him.

“The VAR has to make three decisions:

“Is Burn offside? No.

“Is Botman offside? Yes but not taking part in the move.

“Does he interfere with Cash? He feels no.”

Stephen Warnock:

“Botman shuffles ever so slightly to the side. One step is enough to stop the run. That’s obstruction. But it’s difficult to pick up.”

Sue Smith:

“I thought that was a foul. I thought Cash would have got back in.”

[danno]

It was a masterclass in headless chicken performing from start to finish. Embarrassing to watch.

Parts of the second half (probably because it was Newcastle) reminded me of that first half when Spurs went up there and got battered.

[Monty]

As ever, the refs think they know better than the players, which is how the players get away with it.

[brontebilly]

I think Digne is shite, and have done since he arrived.

Agreed, he's a nothing player really. Tidy left foot on the ball but just average at everything else. Moreno is so much more dynamic. Digne is one paced and physically weak.

[brontebilly]

For me the strangest choice of the day was taking McGinn off and replacing him with Carlos after 64 minutes and we'd only just gone 3-1 down. It was the last half hour where we just fell apart completely. We were still in it until that point, and even when the goal went in I thought if we get one back quickly enough there's plenty of time to push for the draw.
I know McGinn wasn't doing much but move him to the other side, or replace him with an attacking player. Emery either has no faith in any of our subs at that point, or he thought we were playing a 2 leg tie.

I wasn't sure why he took off McGinn, but I can sure as hell see why he brought on Carlos: he had to give the guy some minutes, given the loss of Mings! I'd have taken off Cash for Carlos.

I just hope watching Konsa getting destroyed at RCB (of a three) or Cash further up was enough evidence for Emery not to try it again. We seem to have wasted a lot of pre season trying to get the third centre back into the team. It won't work and unbalances the team completely. I just fear the easy way out will be taken v Everton with Konsa at RB and Cash dropped..

[pablo_picasso]

Dermot Gallagher sticking up for VAR/refs again on sky today


INCIDENT:

‘Newcastle’s second goal through Alexander Isak was subject to an offside check. No lines here – who is playing Sven Botman onside and why were no lines drawn?’

DERMOT GALLAGHER SAYS:

“RIGHT CALL.

“Burn isn’t offside and he plays it to Isak to score. Botman is in an offside position but doesn’t take part in the move.

“People will say he does because he blocks off Cash but the feeling is Cash ran into him.

“The VAR has to make three decisions:

“Is Burn offside? No.

“Is Botman offside? Yes but not taking part in the move.

“Does he interfere with Cash? He feels no.”

Stephen Warnock:

“Botman shuffles ever so slightly to the side. One step is enough to stop the run. That’s obstruction. But it’s difficult to pick up.”

Sue Smith:

“I thought that was a foul. I thought Cash would have got back in.”

Gallagher is a weasel little bell-end.

He always finds a way to twist things into making the decision the right call, unless its one of the media favourite clubs.

How anybody could think that Cash ran into the Newcastle player is beyond me.

Anybody with eyes & half a brain cell can tell that Cash is running back as part of an offside tactic.

Why the fuck would 'he' run into Burn? What possible advantage would that give to Villa?

Fucking moron...

[LeeB]

I think Digne is shite, and have done since he arrived.

Agreed, he's a nothing player really. Tidy left foot on the ball but just average at everything else. Moreno is so much more dynamic. Digne is one paced and physically weak.

Yes, that's it exactly.

[pablo_picasso]

I think Digne is shite, and have done since he arrived.

Agreed, he's a nothing player really. Tidy left foot on the ball but just average at everything else. Moreno is so much more dynamic. Digne is one paced and physically weak.

Yes, that's it exactly.

Agreed...

[Rudy Can't Fail]

It was a masterclass in headless chicken performing from start to finish. Embarrassing to watch.

Pretty much agree. We won't play as bad all season and the Saudis won't have an easier opposition.

[eamonn]

How was Barnes not offside for their fourth goal?

[VillaTim]

It was a masterclass in headless chicken performing from start to finish. Embarrassing to watch.

Parts of the second half (probably because it was Newcastle) reminded me of that first half when Spurs went up there and got battered.

I thought the 1st half was equally shambolic

[PaulWinch again]

I think by how the rules are drafted they’re all onside. That being said though I think the rules make it incredibly hard to defend. I think if someone is getting an advance from being well offside, which enables them to be in an advanced position when the next phase begins it feels inherently dodgy.

[villadelph]

I think by how the rules are drafted they’re all onside. That being said though I think the rules make it incredibly hard to defend. I think if someone is getting an advance from being well offside, which enables them to be in an advanced position when the next phase begins it feels inherently dodgy.

My problem was the pick/screen play on Cash. He was clearly impeded by someone in an offside position and if that's allowed than we should be doing it on every set piece. Now, running off a teammates shoulder to run into space is one thing, but their objective was clear.