Newcastle United vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread

[Risso]

It should have been fine, at least in being competitive and not getting a solid thrashing. We added good players to a squad who finished the season strongly, but the manager picked the wrong team, got the tactics wrong and made the wrong subs. It happens of course, and of course the Mings injury was the dog turd on top of the cake, but we've got to work out what went so very badly wrong, and quickly.

[RamboandBruno]

It's not a case of thinking everything will be rosy. The game has gone now, it's about putting it right next time out.

I think that it was more than just a bad day at the office. If we’ve serious about this season you don’t lose like that and in that manner against supposedly direct competition. It was most concerning that at points we were simply not switched on at all and more concerning, we didn’t seem capable of changing it with what we have. Beating Everton next week shouldn’t mask that.

Your in danger of writing of the season or implying it. Now beating Everton won’t make up for yesterday? It was shite and once and only once the third goal went in, shambolic, and yes Emery and his team need to review etc, revelation of the year that one. But actually good teams do get battered from time to time, Man Utd lost by 7 to a faltering Liverpool last season, we put 7 past Liverpool a few years back etc. its more heightened because its the first game and we have all had such high hopes.

But are we all of a sudden saying Emery doesnt know what he’s doing??

Despite yesterday, despite the nature of it, despite the shite injuries, we will still have a very good season.

The reality is that that was our heaviest defeat under Emery against side that played no differently from what we would expect and which was equally aided and abetted by us. And as auditions go for competing near the higher end of things, it was woeful. And no, beating Everton (which hopefully we will) won’t address things because that’s not where our season will be defined. Our season will be defined in fixtures like yesterday if we’re looking to get into the top 6. It was the performance more than the result which I found most disappointing. Heavy losses can happen but crikey did we help them and worse, once the third went in we never looked like getting back into it even with 30 minutes still to go.

I understand what your saying in terms of competing against teams we are expecting to be in and around, but Im not sure that I agree that beating Everton won’t address things. There is all sorts that is fundamentally wrong with that statement. Firstly and most obviously , 3 points is 3 points, secondly momentum is massive in football and we start on that train. Other than that, i just don’t beating teams we are perhaps expected to beat, is less important or that it doesn’t start to address issues such as the numerous ones that occurred yesterday.

I’d suggest after the three heavy losses against Leicester, Man City and Arsenal in Feb, the 1-0 home win over Palace, was just as important in many ways as the 3-0 demolition of Newcastle. Likewise the 3-0 over Bournemouth was just as important as any result/performance in establishing the Emery style.

[Toronto Villa]

It should have been fine, at least in being competitive and not getting a solid thrashing. We added good players to a squad who finished the season strongly, but the manager picked the wrong team, got the tactics wrong and made the wrong subs. It happens of course, and of course the Mings injury was the dog turd on top of the cake, but we've got to work out what went so very badly wrong, and quickly.

Exactly what Newcastle fans said about their team and manager when they took a kicking at Villa Park. It happens. And they didn’t even have a massive injury to contend with either. Man U lost 7-0 to Liverpool last season and qualified for the CL and won a cup. We will bounce back because the players are still good and the manager is still great. Yesterday didn’t change those two things.

[LeeB]

It should have been fine, at least in being competitive and not getting a solid thrashing. We added good players to a squad who finished the season strongly, but the manager picked the wrong team, got the tactics wrong and made the wrong subs. It happens of course, and of course the Mings injury was the dog turd on top of the cake, but we've got to work out what went so very badly wrong, and quickly.

Yeah, in fairness his hand been forced losing Buendia who'd looked sharp as fuck against this mob a couple of weeks ago.

But I thought we looked light when we didn't have the ball against Valencia last week with Bailey and Diaby together and much more in control once Buendia and Coutinho came on for them, it was asking for it a bit to go that way again, although again with no Ramsey and Moreno available were short of options on the left.

[Toronto Villa]

Playing both Bailey and Diaby was a mistake yesterday. Well certainly playing the former. Newcastle always attack in waves against any team at home and we needed a stronger midfield set up. I know we wanted to attack them vs defend but it wasn’t the right approach. And completely agree on Buendia. Not only does he work hard tracking back he is very direct going forward. Had Buendia been available Bailey wouldn’t have played yesterday.

[Rudy Can't Fail]

I'm still in shock with the manner of the defeat rather than the scoreline. I predicted a 2-0 defeat as Sid Jame Park is no easy place to go to for anybody, they had a brilliant defence last season and ignoring the pre-season game against us, they have put together a very fluid, talented team. If the Saudi fans are to be believed, they're a top left back short of completing the side. They also seem to recruit their defenders from the local rugby league side, they're all massive, physically strong and don't mind leaving a foot in if in danger. These new rules allow for such behavior and against our normal/small sized lads they have it all their way. I thought the ref let far too much go but I guess I'm going to have to get used to it.

The warning signs were there pre-season especially against Lazio (first half) and Valencia, two teams that with better strikers could have provided a different result. Was it the Valencia game where McGinn hardly touched the ball as Emery moved him from his normal position? Yesterday was the same, we need players like McGinn to be running the show but the team selection and tactics were poor. Everybody knew it would be a battle to win the midfield and Unai decides to go with Bailey. We'd lost the energy, fight and vision of Buendia but had Tielemans who can battle and thread a ball through sitting on the bench. Why? Even Coutinho could have given us 45 minutes controlling the midfield better than the formation we put out.

Losing Ty was the biggest disappointment of the day and pretty much forces Unai's hand to build a new partnership with Torres and Carlos. I doubt Konsa's error won't be forgotten quickly. But we have to go back to the midfield and get that mess sorted. Yes Kamara had a shocker but he'd spent the day chasing shadows; McGinn was played out of position and hauled off like it was his fault. Dougie never got to control the game as he never had the support around him instead watching far inferior countrymen run riot.

Yes we still created chances and better finishing could have changed the game but it didn't and we have Martinez to thank for keeping it down to five. I just don't understand what Unai was expecting and hoping to achieve. We normally first half bore the opposition to death and just when they think they're comfortable we go and take the lead with some fluid football. Did he really think we could go all gung-ho, face to face and beat them like we did at Villa Park last season? As I said, I really didn't understand his team selection, formation and tactics. His post match comments I hope were just to keep confidence levels up but he has to really have a sit down and analyse not just the players performances but how he could could have, should have set us up differently.

Moving on, I expect us to somehow put this defeat behind us and really punish Everton. We made Newcastle look far better than they are, not that they're not a good team, they most certainly are but we're no where near as poor as we were yesterday.

[Toronto Villa]

We will sign at least one player. We will win next weekend and be 3 points off top spot sitting mid table. The world will be fine.

[PaulWinch again]

We will sign at least one player. We will win next weekend and be 3 points off top spot sitting mid table. The world will be fine.

Yes just don’t start the match thread….

[Toronto Villa]

We will sign at least one player. We will win next weekend and be 3 points off top spot sitting mid table. The world will be fine.

Yes just don’t start the match thread….

Yesterday didn’t matter who started it.

[Risso]

Playing both Bailey and Diaby was a mistake yesterday. Well certainly playing the former. Newcastle always attack in waves against any team at home and we needed a stronger midfield set up. I know we wanted to attack them vs defend but it wasn’t the right approach. And completely agree on Buendia. Not only does he work hard tracking back he is very direct going forward. Had Buendia been available Bailey wouldn’t have played yesterday.

We were at our best last season with Ramsey and McGinn wide, and either Buendia or Bailey up front next to Watkins. This season that should now mean Diaby next to Watkins, and probably Tielemans left and McGinn right.

[Toronto Villa]

Playing both Bailey and Diaby was a mistake yesterday. Well certainly playing the former. Newcastle always attack in waves against any team at home and we needed a stronger midfield set up. I know we wanted to attack them vs defend but it wasn’t the right approach. And completely agree on Buendia. Not only does he work hard tracking back he is very direct going forward. Had Buendia been available Bailey wouldn’t have played yesterday.

We were at our best last season with Ramsey and McGinn wide, and either Buendia or Bailey up front next to Watkins. This season that should now mean Diaby next to Watkins, and probably Tielemans left and McGinn right.

Hopefully it’s the last we see of Bailey. I defended him with that late miss because I felt he didn’t need to be slaughtered for it. But the odd nice moment and odd game aside he’s a massive liability. His control might be amongst the worst I’ve ever seen in a Villa player. He cannot start next week.

[astonvilla82]

Playing both Bailey and Diaby was a mistake yesterday. Well certainly playing the former. Newcastle always attack in waves against any team at home and we needed a stronger midfield set up. I know we wanted to attack them vs defend but it wasn’t the right approach. And completely agree on Buendia. Not only does he work hard tracking back he is very direct going forward. Had Buendia been available Bailey wouldn’t have played yesterday.

We were at our best last season with Ramsey and McGinn wide, and either Buendia or Bailey up front next to Watkins. This season that should now mean Diaby next to Watkins, and probably Tielemans left and McGinn right.

Hopefully it’s the last we see of Bailey. I defended him with that late miss because I felt he didn’t need to be slaughtered for it. But the odd nice moment and odd game aside he’s a massive liability. His control might be amongst the worst I’ve ever seen in a Villa player. He cannot start next week.

In truth we have seen this inconsistenty since he's arrived, shame really because he definitely got the talent

[andyh]

Wrong thread

[nick harper]

I wonder how Newcastle would have coped with losing Guimares for the season on Wednesday and Botman for the same after 20 mins. It has been a terrible few days for the squad. Let’s see where we are over the next month. We have a great manager so trust him to stabilise things and re-set.

[Hookeysmith]

I wonder how Newcastle would have coped with losing Guimares for the season on Wednesday and Botman for the same after 20 mins. It has been a terrible few days for the squad. Let’s see where we are over the next month. We have a great manager so trust him to stabilise things and re-set.

In the cold light of today and with the sickness I felt of defeat gone, I agree with this. I am sure we will be smart in what is left of the transfer window