Newcastle United vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread

[john e]

Another thing I found myself thinking, Isak is a much, much better player than Watkins, technically miles better, different level.

Their second choice striker Wilson is also very decent, much better than our 'options' which are a couple of inexperienced kids.

I get the entire "yeah but who would we get if we wanted to improve on Watkins" idea, but Newcastle spent 65m on Isak. They're our peers, they are the people we need to be competing with, maybe we need to go out and be bold and do the same?

Isak is pure quality. He is in a different league to Watkins. I think Newcastle have bought very well. I thought Tonali was excellent right from the off and Barnes will be very good as well.

I think today showed that we need an upgrade on Cash, Digne, Mcginn and Bailey. Somehow he needs to get Tielemans firing and in the team. I now it is every early but he looks really sluggish and passive in the albeit brief cameos I have seen from him.

Are you really going to roll out McGinns name in this. He has been brilliant since Emery turned up, one game…JFC

It’s the narrative some people will always have on McGinn for some reason they don’t think he’s good enough when he quite clearly is and as soon as they get an opportunity  they’re on it again

Same as me and Konsa to be fair
My narrative has always been he’s not good enough for a top half premiership team
Yesterday we saw again just how limited he is

[Dave P]

I somehow feel more at peace we lost this way then if we lost 1-0 with a dodgy goal in the 90+5th minute. We can address so much and not feel sorry for ourselves.

[Hillbilly]

Fair play to Howe. When Emery went to a back three, he put Barnes on to attack the space in behind Cash. Unsurprisingly it worked.

[AV84]

I think we were still in the game until their 3rd goal went in, and that was at 60 minutes. Emery even said it himself afterwards, we didn't control the last 30 minutes. A loss is a loss but 3-1 looks and feels a lot better, or at least less shit, than 5-1.

I don't doubt Newcastle are a good team and everyone will struggle against them up there, but they're not 4 goals better than us, or more importantly we're not 4 goals worse than them.

Losing 2 key players to serious injury in the way we did is something you just can't plan for. It's a shit result, and a shit feeling after all the optimism we had around us only a few days ago, but I don't think it's a marker for the season to come, I think we'll see a completely different performance next week and we'll be fine.

[VillaTim]

People seem to be forgetting Martinez made at least 3 world class saves to keep it down to 5 , plus Watkins cleared one off the line . We were garbage and 5-1 was about right

[N'ZMAV]

Yes, there was a question for VAR on the offside - but, if we defend better, it might stop the goal too.

[LeonW]

It's not a case of thinking everything will be rosy. The game has gone now, it's about putting it right next time out.

I think that it was more than just a bad day at the office. If we’ve serious about this season you don’t lose like that and in that manner against supposedly direct competition. It was most concerning that at points we were simply not switched on at all and more concerning, we didn’t seem capable of changing it with what we have. Beating Everton next week shouldn’t mask that.

Your in danger of writing of the season or implying it. Now beating Everton won’t make up for yesterday? It was shite and once and only once the third goal went in, shambolic, and yes Emery and his team need to review etc, revelation of the year that one. But actually good teams do get battered from time to time, Man Utd lost by 7 to a faltering Liverpool last season, we put 7 past Liverpool a few years back etc. its more heightened because its the first game and we have all had such high hopes.

But are we all of a sudden saying Emery doesnt know what he’s doing??

Despite yesterday, despite the nature of it, despite the shite injuries, we will still have a very good season.

The reality is that that was our heaviest defeat under Emery against side that played no differently from what we would expect and which was equally aided and abetted by us. And as auditions go for competing near the higher end of things, it was woeful. And no, beating Everton (which hopefully we will) won’t address things because that’s not where our season will be defined. Our season will be defined in fixtures like yesterday if we’re looking to get into the top 6. It was the performance more than the result which I found most disappointing. Heavy losses can happen but crikey did we help them and worse, once the third went in we never looked like getting back into it even with 30 minutes still to go.

[simboy]

Their defence was just as bad as ours first half. Gordon had the half of his life in the first half and Burns did a job on Cash for the second goal. One game does not define a season, no matter how bad we played. For justification of that see the Saudis at VP last season, moving on to claim champions league football.

Personally Kamara disappointed me most yesterday behind Bailey (who didn’t really disappoint me just reminded me of his limitations). His control was poor along with decision making. He looked off the pace. In the second half Diaby was away through the middle, Kamara on the ball. A simple pass put Diaby in on goal. Kamara’s pass to their centre half was exquisite.

Watkins and Diaby will terrorise sides when they get the supply, they cut that off well in the second half. The Konsa error killed the game as a contest but we collapsed defensively after that.

Far too early to write off the starting eleven I suggest. 

[85kota]

Gordon really did have the game.of his life. What a hideous man he is. His face make me feel sick.

[The Edge]

Another thing I found myself thinking, Isak is a much, much better player than Watkins, technically miles better, different level.

Their second choice striker Wilson is also very decent, much better than our 'options' which are a couple of inexperienced kids.

I get the entire "yeah but who would we get if we wanted to improve on Watkins" idea, but Newcastle spent 65m on Isak. They're our peers, they are the people we need to be competing with, maybe we need to go out and be bold and do the same?

Isak is pure quality. He is in a different league to Watkins. I think Newcastle have bought very well. I thought Tonali was excellent right from the off and Barnes will be very good as well.

I think today showed that we need an upgrade on Cash, Digne, Mcginn and Bailey. Somehow he needs to get Tielemans firing and in the team. I now it is every early but he looks really sluggish and passive in the albeit brief cameos I have seen from him.

Isaak is a top quality striker who scores goals for fun. Watkins will terrorise defenders for sure but a quality goal scorer he ain't. He misses way too many chances. Until we address this fundamental issue we won't be winning too many trophies.

[VillaTim]

Gordon really did have the game.of his life. What a hideous man he is. His face make me feel sick.

Cash had a shocker though

[85kota]

Gordon really did have the game.of his life. What a hideous man he is. His face make me feel sick.

Cash had a shocker though

That, too.

[pablo_picasso]

Newcastle were hungrier than we were.

They wanted it more than we did.

And the ref let them have it more then he did us.

They were allowed to leave a foot in.

They were allowed to push us off balance.

They were allowed to pull us off balance.

As soon as we entered their safe space, they tripped themselves over & the ref blew the whistle before they hit the deck.

Thats not why we lost, but it contributed to why we lost so badly.

How that second was allowed for the block on Cash, I will never know.

What the actual fuck is VAR useful for?

As for our players, they were all shit, except for a few bright spots from Diaby & Pau Torres.

My only hope about our defence parting like the red sea every time they attacked us is that Konsa & Torres haven't played much together, if at all & once they do, they will become stronger as a unit.

When Mings & Konsa first started playing together in Emerys system, they also conceded quite a few for a short while.

But as soon as they got used to it all, our defence became very tight.

So hopefully, Torres & Konsa/Carlos will be the same...

In a game we have lost 5-1, to blame the officials to that extent is just plain daft

I do not know what words you read of what I wrote, but I didn't blame the officials to any extent other than call them out for their inadequacies.

The key sentence being in bold...

I've had enough of Bailey now. I've been a lot more forgiving than a lot of supporters towards him but today was the straw that broke the camels back. Unai has to take a lot of the blame for picking him

I am in this camp. I have been the same with my patience, but today it ran out.

[Pete3206]

I thought these types of performances were in the past. A real kick in the balls.

[SoccerHQ]

I thought these types of performances were in the past. A real kick in the balls.

We were never going to lose a game by 3-4 goals again?

It happens to 99% of clubs in a season.