Newcastle United vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread

[john e]

It’s the worst opening day performance in 149 year history
We lost 5-1  and the goalkeeper was still man of the match making half a dozen goalbound saves including a few one on ones

You can’t just write that off as a bad day where we got a bit unlucky
Historically it’s the worst
The High line where they were slicing through us at will and that some bad individual performances killed us

Having said that, we have the best manager to put it right
But he needs to accept that that was totally shit today, tactics lineups performances all wrong
In football as in life, you have to accept responsibility

We will improve of course we will we can’t go any worse, Luton town got battered and they’re still above us in the league, literally the only way is up
I’m not suggesting it’s all doom and gloom, but I am saying it’s more than just a bad day at the office We need to accept we have problems and put them right

[LeonW]

It's not a case of thinking everything will be rosy. The game has gone now, it's about putting it right next time out.

I think that it was more than just a bad day at the office. If we’ve serious about this season you don’t lose like that and in that manner against supposedly direct competition. It was most concerning that at points we were simply not switched on at all and more concerning, we didn’t seem capable of changing it with what we have. Beating Everton next week shouldn’t mask that.

[Clampy]

It's not a case of thinking everything will be rosy. The game has gone now, it's about putting it right next time out.

I think that it was more than just a bad day at the office. If we’ve serious about this season you don’t lose like that and in that manner against supposedly direct competition. It was most concerning that at points we were simply not switched on at all and more concerning, we didn’t seem capable of changing it with what we have. Beating Everton next week shouldn’t mask that.

It's not good losing games like that and in the manner we did but now and again it happens to every team. It's how we bounce back  and how we learn from it which is the main thing.

[saint13]

Another thing I found myself thinking, Isak is a much, much better player than Watkins, technically miles better, different level.

Their second choice striker Wilson is also very decent, much better than our 'options' which are a couple of inexperienced kids.

I get the entire "yeah but who would we get if we wanted to improve on Watkins" idea, but Newcastle spent 65m on Isak. They're our peers, they are the people we need to be competing with, maybe we need to go out and be bold and do the same?

Isak is pure quality. He is in a different league to Watkins. I think Newcastle have bought very well. I thought Tonali was excellent right from the off and Barnes will be very good as well.

I think today showed that we need an upgrade on Cash, Digne, Mcginn and Bailey. Somehow he needs to get Tielemans firing and in the team. I now it is every early but he looks really sluggish and passive in the albeit brief cameos I have seen from him.

[Beard82]

It was truly awful - we looked a 6s and 7s and the fact we are capable of being that bad is a huge issue.  As is our current injury list.  Emi, mings, Ramsey, Young, Mareno we’re all key last season - taking players of that quality out of our team is huge - and our recruitment hasn’t gone far enough to replace that injury list.  It probably was never intended to. 

We’re still a work in progress it will take time - but the fact that they clearly don’t fancy archer is another concern as we’re rely on one striker currently.

We need to do something more in the window and get some of our injury list back

[LeonW]

It's not a case of thinking everything will be rosy. The game has gone now, it's about putting it right next time out.

I think that it was more than just a bad day at the office. If we’ve serious about this season you don’t lose like that and in that manner against supposedly direct competition. It was most concerning that at points we were simply not switched on at all and more concerning, we didn’t seem capable of changing it with what we have. Beating Everton next week shouldn’t mask that.

It's not good losing games like that and in the manner we did but now and again it happens to every team. It's how we bounce back  and how we learn from it which is the main thing.

It can happen but equally you have to break down what happened and review it for the reality. This wasn’t a case of them scoring loads of 25 yarders into the top corner and it just being one of those days. It should be a massive wake up call because by the end it wasn’t close and that should be a big concern. There are games where you shake it off and go it was just a bad day. But I don’t think yesterday was one of them. We looked ill prepared, lacking focus and to think we considered Bailey to be a reliable option away from home in a big game was ridiculous and it was rectified swiftly.

[Clampy]

Of course they'll review it and break it down. Emery will if anyone will, that's his job. Like I said, it's gone now, it's how you come back from it.

[baddowvillans]

Not when the defender got to the cross to knock it to him.

You saw how teams are changing to adapt the very next time we got an attacking free kick, McGinn took it and 3 of ours were stood miles off on the 18 yard line, but as the ball missed them all out, no flag.

Surely if Isaak was offside when the initial ball was kicked he cannot be played on by receiving a direct pass from a teammate that was onside?  This is not a separate phase of play

[edgysatsuma89]

The goals were onside, you could argue Cash was fouled and just the general bullshit rule where Isak can gain an advantage being offside until the final ball but technically all the goals looked onside.

[Risso]

Yes, it’s 3 points gone, time to move on. We’ve now got two games we definitely should be winning, coming up. Everton at home is as much of a home banker as you can get with us. We’ve then got Liverpool away, which is almost certainly a defeat, but then Palace at home, which again we should be winning. 9 points from 5 games would be a decent start to the season, and hopefully we’ll have a few new players joining as well.

[baddowvillans]

I'm not for a moment saying it would have made any difference to the result but how can Isaak who was offside when the free kick was taken be played onside when no Villa player has played the ball either intentionally or not?

[baddowvillans]

Having said that I haven't seen a frame with the lines added

[Chris Smith]

It's not a case of thinking everything will be rosy. The game has gone now, it's about putting it right next time out.

I think that it was more than just a bad day at the office. If we’ve serious about this season you don’t lose like that and in that manner against supposedly direct competition. It was most concerning that at points we were simply not switched on at all and more concerning, we didn’t seem capable of changing it with what we have. Beating Everton next week shouldn’t mask that.

Our experience under Emery suggests that ‘bad day at the office’ is exactly what it was. He’ll already be working on his plan for next week and I am absolutely certain that we will see a reaction. Losing Mings after half an hour on top of Buendia a couple of days ago completely disrupted preparations. I doubt we’ll be that unlucky again. It’s also true that many of our fans underrated Newcastle so it was a difficult game to start the season.

[RamboandBruno]

It's not a case of thinking everything will be rosy. The game has gone now, it's about putting it right next time out.

I think that it was more than just a bad day at the office. If we’ve serious about this season you don’t lose like that and in that manner against supposedly direct competition. It was most concerning that at points we were simply not switched on at all and more concerning, we didn’t seem capable of changing it with what we have. Beating Everton next week shouldn’t mask that.

Your in danger of writing of the season or implying it. Now beating Everton won’t make up for yesterday? It was shite and once and only once the third goal went in, shambolic, and yes Emery and his team need to review etc, revelation of the year that one. But actually good teams do get battered from time to time, Man Utd lost by 7 to a faltering Liverpool last season, we put 7 past Liverpool a few years back etc. its more heightened because its the first game and we have all had such high hopes.

But are we all of a sudden saying Emery doesnt know what he’s doing??

Despite yesterday, despite the nature of it, despite the shite injuries, we will still have a very good season.

[RamboandBruno]

Another thing I found myself thinking, Isak is a much, much better player than Watkins, technically miles better, different level.

Their second choice striker Wilson is also very decent, much better than our 'options' which are a couple of inexperienced kids.

I get the entire "yeah but who would we get if we wanted to improve on Watkins" idea, but Newcastle spent 65m on Isak. They're our peers, they are the people we need to be competing with, maybe we need to go out and be bold and do the same?

Isak is pure quality. He is in a different league to Watkins. I think Newcastle have bought very well. I thought Tonali was excellent right from the off and Barnes will be very good as well.

I think today showed that we need an upgrade on Cash, Digne, Mcginn and Bailey. Somehow he needs to get Tielemans firing and in the team. I now it is every early but he looks really sluggish and passive in the albeit brief cameos I have seen from him.

Are you really going to roll out McGinns name in this. He has been brilliant since Emery turned up, one game…JFC