Newcastle United vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread

[AGRIPPA]

I don’t comment often but I’ve noticed that most initial reactions are rash…two days later this thread will be more reasonable….

We were well beaten by a better team……

Some of the crap I’ve seen is delusional…🤷🏼‍♂️

[AGRIPPA]

Saw the result then decided to watch the recording, have to say I saw a different game to most. Yes the result was a disappointment  but we still played some nice football, when Mings was down injured Watkins missed a golden chance to put us level, when Barnes was adjudged to be onside why didn't we see the line drawn on the screen, to me and the commentator he looked a mile off. Konsa was at fault for their third which virtually finished the game. I thought Torres did okay and Diaby, well, can we buy two more like him please.
Apart from Bailey who should be sold as quickly as possible we still have a decent squad, it isn't all gloom and doom.

Fair play…first sensible response I’ve seen…..

[Rory]

Saw the result then decided to watch the recording, have to say I saw a different game to most. Yes the result was a disappointment  but we still played some nice football, when Mings was down injured Watkins missed a golden chance to put us level, when Barnes was adjudged to be onside why didn't we see the line drawn on the screen, to me and the commentator he looked a mile off. Konsa was at fault for their third which virtually finished the game. I thought Torres did okay and Diaby, well, can we buy two more like him please.
Apart from Bailey who should be sold as quickly as possible we still have a decent squad, it isn't all gloom and doom.

Fair play…first sensible response I’ve seen…..

I have generally avoided posting on the match and post-match threads today, but there have been plenty of sensible responses.

I don't think we played well at all, and I don't think 5-1 flattered Newcastle.

I won't pretend I like their ownership or fanbase (I really, really don't) and I don't think their squad is all that good, but they were better than us in every department yesterday.

Balls to excuses; they played well and we didn't. But you're bang on that it's just one game. I have faith in Emery and the players of ours who aren't currently in hospital.

[remy]

Missed the live game celebrating my daughters birthday. Just rewatching the recording game and that was piss poor.

Reasons for such a bad result in my view:

Our great momentum and pattern of play hacked through by the injury to Buendia who was outstanding in preseason.

Looked like complacency after beating the likes of Lazio and Valencia from kick off and were 1-0 down before blinking.

Losing stalwart and talisman Mings whose vocality and presence cannot be under estimated.

Official of course was giving them everything.

Emery over coached Bailey and over faith’s in his ability and he fucked him over.

McGinn wasn’t happy where he was playing out left which contributed to our downfall in this match.

Rolls Royce Kamara - did not recognise the player - injured or not at the races.

Cash - piss poor performance.

Emery too slow to hook Bailey and set the team up wrong.

Doug should have had a penalty.

Watkins needs 3 chances to score and this just won’t do if we’re trying to go up a lavel but his backups of Dhuran, Archer and we look too light weight.

No Ramsey, Moreno, Mings, Buendia - they’d have made a difference here.

Bar codes still smarting from that pasting we handed out and wanted revenge so we’re at it from the off - we should have been ready.

Psychologically they all packed up at 3-1 and we could have lost 7 or 8 due to their spineless play by then, we needed some nasty bastard subs to physically hold them off with the game lost and if you want to come as far as our area then it’ll cost you a kneecap.

Sometimes (with supporting villa now 37 years) things happen here for a reason. The Fulham play off defeat, whilst bitter and angry at the time would have been bad for the club with the 2 idiots in charge for a Prem assault.

Gutted to lose my hero Mings but my view here is that the Mings-Konsa partnership needs upgrading to Torres-Carlos at some point and this rotten luck may have brought that forward.

You can really trust some Villa fans to go over the top in their reactions to a calamitous unexpected defeat, fortunately the next match isn’t too far away and Emery (my main man) is awake right now like me at 4am but pondering to put us back on track. I have trust in the guy.

I’d expect Bailey to start the next match if Smith or Gerrard were in charge. Not so with UE.

Let’s get behind the boys with a full house to roar the lads to victory over the toffees,

[jwarry]

Saw the result then decided to watch the recording, have to say I saw a different game to most. Yes the result was a disappointment  but we still played some nice football, when Mings was down injured Watkins missed a golden chance to put us level, when Barnes was adjudged to be onside why didn't we see the line drawn on the screen, to me and the commentator he looked a mile off. Konsa was at fault for their third which virtually finished the game. I thought Torres did okay and Diaby, well, can we buy two more like him please.
Apart from Bailey who should be sold as quickly as possible we still have a decent squad, it isn't all gloom and doom.
 

The stats also show a very different game.  Sure there were a number of bad performances but the Gods were against us yesterday.  Every time we finally managed to get a grip on the game something transpired against us.  I’m sure that won’t happen again all season

[LeonW]

Massive reality check. Newcastle weren’t that good and it wasn’t a 5-1 result based upon the performance, but we were nowhere near good enough. Kamara and Bailey were awful. McGinn completely absent and our team tactics very questionable.

You don’t lose your first game of the season 5-1 against a rival and expect to do anything in the season without some significant changes.

[PhilVill]

We were very poor and gifted pretty much all the goals. I'm pretty sure that Carlos and Torres will be the centre backs next week with either Konsa or Cash out right. And I'm sure those two will be a pretty fantastic pairing but will need to get up to speed. Digne played well yesterday and looked as if he give a shit.

My big worry is up front, Watkins will never be anything other than an OK Centre Forward, he fluffed his lines yet again when we could have got back to 2-2, and we have nothing in reserve. If we want to play with the big boys we have to get a proven striker.

I genuinely think that some of the lads had bought into the press that we're world beaters, we are not and the managers job over the next few days is to make that very clear.

If this squad treat it as a wake up call, then it may be a good battering to have had as who genuinely thought Newcastle away on the first day of the season would produce points?

I think we will see plenty of ins and outs in the next two weeks and there will be a massive reaction next week so as utterly crap as yesterday was, against a club that has happily sold it's soul, Emery will have learnt more in that pile of turd than some of the average performances of last season.

[rooboy316]

Kamara worried me more than I was expecting (even though I know he made mistakes last season). There was one point where he went out and checked Gordon, lost his boot and it was so completely pointless, as in piss poor decision making. It made no sense and then he went on to be pretty poor for the rest of the game. He didn't look very composed at all today.

He's a great young prospect, but he doesn't do "having a stinker" by half.

Reminds me a bit of early years Luiz. One of the biggest improvements Doug has made is to take some of those 4-5/10 games up to a 6/10.

[coreyfeldman]

Massive reality check. Newcastle weren’t that good and it wasn’t a 5-1 result based upon the performance, but we were nowhere near good enough. Kamara and Bailey were awful. McGinn completely absent and our team tactics very questionable.

You don’t lose your first game of the season 5-1 against a rival and expect to do anything in the season without some significant changes.

Newcastle played very well, don't be daft. They're a very good side, and last season we battered them also. Chill

[coreyfeldman]

Bailey, Jesus, how bad was he.

Lethargic, unbothered, constantly giving the ball away and he’s the slowest “fast player” I’ve ever seen.

Offers nothing but somehow persists.

The thing is, when he was on the pitch we looked much more dangerous. I don't disagree, his performance was mostly poor but we often do perform better as a team with him around strangely

[RamboandBruno]

Saw the result then decided to watch the recording, have to say I saw a different game to most. Yes the result was a disappointment  but we still played some nice football, when Mings was down injured Watkins missed a golden chance to put us level, when Barnes was adjudged to be onside why didn't we see the line drawn on the screen, to me and the commentator he looked a mile off. Konsa was at fault for their third which virtually finished the game. I thought Torres did okay and Diaby, well, can we buy two more like him please.
Apart from Bailey who should be sold as quickly as possible we still have a decent squad, it isn't all gloom and doom.

Im away on holiday and only saw the second half, but Im nearer to this assessment then anything else. At 1-2, i thought we came out 2nd half and looked to play our normal controlled game and i really felt an equaliser was come. Konsa bizarre error absolutely killed us. The worrying thing from there was how we fell apart. Although again Barnes looked miles off for Wilsons goal.

Anyway Everton will not doubt be a more nervy affair now, but I do think we will start our season again next week.

[CT]

It’s incredible how consumed and bitter they still are by what happened in 2009.

The social media stuff seemed confined to a few trolls, but yesterday they were singing about it in a bar before the game. I should stress, everyone was singing it, not just a few. Then in the ground as the goals went in, they were doing it again.

I thought we were done with horror shows like yesterday, but when we’re spineless and leaderless, we do it properly.

So sad about Tyrone.

Got home at 2.35am, and my old MP3 died too. Bollocks.

[astonvilla82]

It’s incredible how consumed and bitter they still are by what happened in 2009.

The social media stuff seemed confined to a few trolls, but yesterday they were singing about it in a bar before the game. I should stress, everyone was singing it, not just a few. Then in the ground as the goals went in, they were doing it again.

I thought we were done with horror shows like yesterday, but when we’re spineless and leaderless, we do it properly.

So sad about Tyrone.

Got home at 2.35am, and my old MP3 died too. Bollocks.

I guess they would, but who cares, all I care about is AVFC

[Monty]

Again, I feel like I'm going mad. Their VAR-'checked' goals should've both been ruled out. Am I insane here? Why is nobody talking about this? Not the BBC, not the Guardian, and not even here? We seriously think the Premier League is above corruption? Especially from that bunch, after the summer we've all just seen?

[PaulWinch again]

They were both on I think.