Loanwatch 2023/24

[pablo_picasso]

He turned 20 in the summer, so he's not young-young. If he keeps this form up ( or even halves it), I wonder should we fix him up with a League 1 club in January.

If he keeps scoring at this rate I think a Championship loan wouldn't be out of the question for the second half of the season.  Look what Cam did for a not-that-great Preston side when he was 20.  There is no reason to think Louie couldn't do something similar.  He's clearly technically good enough to play at a higher level, and he seems to have filled out a bit now too.  I haven't seen any of his stockport games, so I don't know how involved he is in the general play, and whether he's holding his own on the physical side, but clearly he's already better than League Two.

Yeah, it is quite noticeable that he must have either eaten his Weetabix or spent a bit of time in the gym.

This has always been my biggest concern with Barry.

I didn't think he could fill out much more, so if he has added a bit of strength to what is already a pretty mobile & technically gifted footballer base, he could be a bit of a late bloomer.

It will be interesting to see how he develops further over the next 12 months or so, but I don't think a League 1 loan would be out of the question...

[paul_e]

He turned 20 in the summer, so he's not young-young. If he keeps this form up ( or even halves it), I wonder should we fix him up with a League 1 club in January.

If he keeps scoring at this rate I think a Championship loan wouldn't be out of the question for the second half of the season.  Look what Cam did for a not-that-great Preston side when he was 20.  There is no reason to think Louie couldn't do something similar.  He's clearly technically good enough to play at a higher level, and he seems to have filled out a bit now too.  I haven't seen any of his stockport games, so I don't know how involved he is in the general play, and whether he's holding his own on the physical side, but clearly he's already better than League Two.

Yeah, it is quite noticeable that he must have either eaten his Weetabix or spent a bit of time in the gym.

This has always been my biggest concern with Barry.

I didn't think he could fill out much more, so if he has added a bit of strength to what is already a pretty mobile & technically gifted footballer base, he could be a bit of a late bloomer.

It will be interesting to see how he develops further over the next 12 months or so, but I don't think a League 1 loan would be out of the question...

I think he was always likely to be a bit late breaking through because even a year ago he still looks like a kid who was too easily bullied. Where the previous loans have clearly helped is in making him realise what he needs to do to physically cope with senior football. It's still a massive jump from L2 to even our bench but now it looks possible whereas I didn't think he'd ever make it a year ago.

[OCD]

Players develop at different rates. We had him sign a long-term contract (normally means 5 years) before he went on loan to Stockport so it looks like we believe he can offer something and we're prepared to give him time.

https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1684821316673662976.

[pablo_picasso]

He turned 20 in the summer, so he's not young-young. If he keeps this form up ( or even halves it), I wonder should we fix him up with a League 1 club in January.

If he keeps scoring at this rate I think a Championship loan wouldn't be out of the question for the second half of the season.  Look what Cam did for a not-that-great Preston side when he was 20.  There is no reason to think Louie couldn't do something similar.  He's clearly technically good enough to play at a higher level, and he seems to have filled out a bit now too.  I haven't seen any of his stockport games, so I don't know how involved he is in the general play, and whether he's holding his own on the physical side, but clearly he's already better than League Two.

Yeah, it is quite noticeable that he must have either eaten his Weetabix or spent a bit of time in the gym.

This has always been my biggest concern with Barry.

I didn't think he could fill out much more, so if he has added a bit of strength to what is already a pretty mobile & technically gifted footballer base, he could be a bit of a late bloomer.

It will be interesting to see how he develops further over the next 12 months or so, but I don't think a League 1 loan would be out of the question...

I think he was always likely to be a bit late breaking through because even a year ago he still looks like a kid who was too easily bullied. Where the previous loans have clearly helped is in making him realise what he needs to do to physically cope with senior football. It's still a massive jump from L2 to even our bench but now it looks possible whereas I didn't think he'd ever make it a year ago.

Yeah, exactly the same thoughts here too...

[paul_e]

Players develop at different rates. We had him sign a long-term contract (normally means 5 years) before he went on loan to Stockport so it looks like we believe he can offer something and we're prepared to give him time.

https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1684821316673662976.

Absolutely, my worry with Barry was that he was a perfect example of why performances and results at U18 and U21 aren't really what matters. Every time I've seen him play at either level he's looked too quick and too talented for defenders to cope with and in most cases they haven't been able to make up for that by bullying him whereas at senior level he's looked like a little boy still. It's good that he and the club seem to have recognised that and worked to resolve it.

[eamonn]

The long-term contracts is also an insurance policy for getting a good transfer fee should we sell (i.e Archer, Ramsey and Philogene). Wouldn't be surprised if he was our next buy-back player sold next summer if he does well enough for a Ch'ship team to come in for him.

[dekko]

Was listening to an EFL podcast earlier and they described Barry as being the best player in the division and way too good for League 2.

Off to the Championship in Jan IMO

[algy]

The long-term contracts is also an insurance policy for getting a good transfer fee should we sell (i.e Archer, Ramsey and Philogene). Wouldn't be surprised if he was our next buy-back player sold next summer if he does well enough for a Ch'ship team to come in for him.

Yeah, trying not to get too attached to the kids now, cos i think there's a good chance they'll be off on a buy-back deal. Which is i guess fair enough from the club's perspective, but i can't say it speaks to my more romantically inclined nature.

[eamonn]

Me neither. Randy sought "romantic nourishment" from the Villa per his leaving statement, probably just as well that he sold-up.

[Mister E]

Watched Louie Barry as Stockport beat Harrogate 3-1. Firstly, the home team were not great: sat too deep and allowed Stockport far too much space. As for our lad, well he had 2 great scoring chances in the first 16 minutes (one a header taken between the centre backs; the other a well-taken through ball which he tried to dink over the keeper and overhit it). For the rest of the first half he was bullied by the Harrogate rightback and played no real part in proceedings.
Second half (until he was subbed around 70 minutes' in) he was probably the best player on the pitch, setting up the second goal and being much more involved. The Stockies clearly love him. What was good was his ability to run effortlessly with the ball (think Grealish in his heyday, but without the inevitable fallover at the end of a run): he has a very balanced running style with a low centre of gravity. And, he sees the game in front of him well, so spots a pass early and executes well.
Is he top-flight quality? - hmmm; needs a more challenging gig for the second of the season, in my opinion.

[eamonn]

"Grealish in his heyday"...enough to make you weep..

Glad that Louie is showing more to his game though.

[Percy McCarthy]

They’re top of the league now. Go on the Stockies!

[Percy McCarthy]

Stockport 2-0 up already. First goal a pen from our man.

Why did Barry take the penalty?

[Percy McCarthy]

And then they got another one, but somebody else missed. So seriously, why didn’t Barry take the penalty?

[john e]

Stockport 2-0 up already. First goal a pen from our man.

Why did Barry take the penalty?

Ha ha good one