Pau Torres

[PaulWinch again]

Pau had a poor game, Mings was marginally better but not great.

[Demitri_C]

Think mings was better than pau. He did a lot of defending today. Mings was probably our best defender today

[PaulWinch again]

But either way the defence were stuffed by the set up of the midfield. It was so narrow, passing out effectively was virtually impossible.

[VillaTim]

Torres is as bad a defender as I have ever seen. Slow, poor with his head, cannot pass (despite his reputation), does not get stuck in. What a lump.

Said for a while he isn't cut out for this league . He's getting worse too not better .

[brontebilly]

Torres was appalling today, first half in particular he gave away the ball constantly. Weak as piss in any tackle or duel as seen with the goal. Mings/Torres CB partnership will hopefully be never seen again.

Id be happy to move Torres onbthis week. He was very good for his first six months or so but has struggled with PL football for quite some time now.

[Demitri_C]

But either way the defence were stuffed by the set up of the midfield. It was so narrow, passing out effectively was virtually impossible.

Agree paul.. i thought the midfield setup last week was a failure  so i cant actually  believe unai did the same setup again this week

[Beard82]

Think sadly Pau is looking less and less effective.  Think some of it is a confidence thing - hes an amazing player but for numerous reasons hes not been at the level of his first season

[andyh]

Gave the ball away time after time.
Weak in the tackle and out muscled for the goal.

Can the myth be busted now ?

[Monty]

Yeah, let's sell him at the bottom of his value at the last minute for no profit and no time to replace him when we're already one or two defenders short.

[brontebilly]

Think mings was better than pau. He did a lot of defending today. Mings was probably our best defender today

Mings was shite, the handful of times Brentford attacked Mings was way out of position. Including their goal. Not his fault, he was never going to work as RCB. The only one of our back 5 to get a pass today was Cash.

[VillaTim]

Think mings was better than pau. He did a lot of defending today. Mings was probably our best defender today

Mings was shite, the handful of times Brentford attacked Mings was way out of position. Including their goal. Not his fault, he was never going to work as RCB. The only one of our back 5 to get a pass today was Cash.

Mings played a great ball to set Watkins away today in fairness .

[VillaTim]

Torres was appalling today, first half in particular he gave away the ball constantly. Weak as piss in any tackle or duel as seen with the goal. Mings/Torres CB partnership will hopefully be never seen again.

Id be happy to move Torres onbthis week. He was very good for his first six months or so but has struggled with PL football for quite some time now.

For the right offer i'd move him on, but nobody is paying what we paid for him .

[PaulWinch again]

Gave the ball away time after time.
Weak in the tackle and out muscled for the goal.

Can the myth be busted now ?

It’s not a myth is it? If you’ve watched Villa across Unai’s time his ability has been demonstrated. He’s obviously not been great in recent times, but doesn’t mean his ability is a “myth”.

[andyh]

Gave the ball away time after time.
Weak in the tackle and out muscled for the goal.

Can the myth be busted now ?

It’s not a myth is it? If you’ve watched Villa across Unai’s time his ability has been demonstrated. He’s obviously not been great in recent times, but doesn’t mean his ability is a “myth”.

He is a myth wrapped up in an enigma.
Keep telling everybody that he’s playing on a different level and many will believe.

The reality that I see is that he gives the ball away as much as he makes a successful pass, he has the turning circle of an oil tanker, I could outrun him, he is awful in the air and my nan is stronger in the tackle.

But hey, the enlightened amongst us tell us he is fundamental to the way we play.

What do I know ? Nothing obviously.

[Demitri_C]

Think mings was better than pau. He did a lot of defending today. Mings was probably our best defender today

Mings was shite, the handful of times Brentford attacked Mings was way out of position. Including their goal. Not his fault, he was never going to work as RCB. The only one of our back 5 to get a pass today was Cash.

I think pau was so bad defensively it made mings job more  difficult.  I simply cannot believe for what the 3rd or 4th season we are going again with this same back four. I mean we have seen how bad thia defence can be.

Last week we kept a clean sheet but there eas moments especially  in 1st half we saw some terrible defending.

This week was even worse. The point of onana signing was to help with the defensive  work and he doesnt. Waste of 50m. We should have spent that 50m ona  cb and a right back. That kayode was 18m and he looks better than all our right backs and younger.