Liverpool + Help - 1 Villa - 1 Post Match Thread

[dave.woodhall]

They can’t whine about booing the anthem to make some contrived point but then get annoyed at opposition fans singing the anthem at them.

It’s football supporters antagonising other supporters and nothing more.

I find the boring “sign on” song more cringey.

Trouble is, it's often the same ones who sing the anthem that also sing the sign on and victims and, increasingly. murderers shite.

[tomd2103]

They can’t whine about booing the anthem to make some contrived point but then get annoyed at opposition fans singing the anthem at them.

It’s football supporters antagonising other supporters and nothing more.

I find the boring “sign on” song more cringey.

Trouble is, it's often the same ones who sing the anthem that also sing the sign on and victims and, increasingly. murderers shite.

I do think that is a bit of a leap if I'm honest Dave regarding singing the national anthem to wind them up and singing about them being murderers.  The sign on stuff is lazy, but we get that kind of stuff too ("we pay your benefits"), especially from London clubs. 

The victim stuff is a bit more complex because of Hillsborough.  I do think they have somewhat of a complex and it shows in things like that episode with Luis Suarez and Patrice Evra, when their players wore shirts in support of Suarez.  That said, that particular song can easily be construed to be about Hillsborough and is obviously not good in that context.  The murderers stuff is totally unacceptable and has no place in football.  As I said above I went to an FA Cup final as neutral when they played Chelsea and was taken aback a bit by the Chelsea fans chanting throughout and after the game about Hillsborough.  I'm not saying it hasn't happened, but I can't recall hearing our fans chanting that kind of stuff.

[dave.woodhall]

They can’t whine about booing the anthem to make some contrived point but then get annoyed at opposition fans singing the anthem at them.

It’s football supporters antagonising other supporters and nothing more.

I find the boring “sign on” song more cringey.

Trouble is, it's often the same ones who sing the anthem that also sing the sign on and victims and, increasingly. murderers shite.

I do think that is a bit of a leap if I'm honest Dave regarding singing the national anthem to wind them up and singing about them being murderers.  The sign on stuff is lazy, but we get that kind of stuff too ("we pay your benefits"), especially from Londin clubs. 

The victim stuff is a bit more complex because of Hillsborough.  I do think they have somewhat of a complex and it shows in things like that episode with Luis Suarez and Patrice Evra, when their players wore shirts in support of Suarez.  That said, that particular song can easily be construed to be about Hillsborough and is obviously not good in that context.  The murderers stuff is totally unacceptable and has no place in football.  As I said above I went to an FA Cup final as neutral when they played Chelsea and was taken aback a bit by the Chelsea chanting throughout the game about Hillsborough. 

I'm not saying it hasn't happened, but I can't recall hearing our fans chanting that kind of stuff.

Have a look on Twitter.

[tomd2103]

They can’t whine about booing the anthem to make some contrived point but then get annoyed at opposition fans singing the anthem at them.

It’s football supporters antagonising other supporters and nothing more.

I find the boring “sign on” song more cringey.

Trouble is, it's often the same ones who sing the anthem that also sing the sign on and victims and, increasingly. murderers shite.

I do think that is a bit of a leap if I'm honest Dave regarding singing the national anthem to wind them up and singing about them being murderers.  The sign on stuff is lazy, but we get that kind of stuff too ("we pay your benefits"), especially from Londin clubs. 

The victim stuff is a bit more complex because of Hillsborough.  I do think they have somewhat of a complex and it shows in things like that episode with Luis Suarez and Patrice Evra, when their players wore shirts in support of Suarez.  That said, that particular song can easily be construed to be about Hillsborough and is obviously not good in that context.  The murderers stuff is totally unacceptable and has no place in football.  As I said above I went to an FA Cup final as neutral when they played Chelsea and was taken aback a bit by the Chelsea chanting throughout the game about Hillsborough. 

I'm not saying it hasn't happened, but I can't recall hearing our fans chanting that kind of stuff.

Have a look on Twitter.

I'm not on Twitter Dave, probably for the reasons you are pointing out.

[dave.woodhall]

I'm not on Twitter Dave, probably for the reasons you are pointing out.

I don't blame you; there's a fair bit on there.

[Sexual Ealing]

It’s now a thing to sing the National Anthem to wind up 'The Mighty Reds YNWA', don’t see a problem with it if it works.

Agreed. Also, football fans signing football songs. The horror.

It's not a football song.

[astonvilla82]

The National Anthem represents the establishment in this country, an establishment that twisted and turned to ensure no one was bought to book for the events at Hillsborough. An establishment that sought to destroy Liverpool through managed decline. An establishment that despises the working class, immigrants and Socialism.

I'm an Irish Republican and oppose the concept of Royalty and the Anthem. On Coronation day I remained on the concourse at Molineux until the Anthem had been played, this is England and that's what happens but I do not blame the Scousers one bit for opposing it.

The idea of venerating the very people that detest you is utterly beyond me.

To you maybe.  For others it's just a song that represents the country.  Just out of interest, as an Irish Republican, how would you feel about Ulster rugby fans going down to Dublin for a game and booing Amhrán na bhFiann ?

Me personally It wouldn't bother me or boo any other anthem, because I got older and what's the point it doesn't change anything ( edited)

[Drummond]

The national anthem thing is clearly a way to wind them up. Let's face it, many just join in with songs to be part of things, to belong. I'm sure there are some who are intent on being offensive, aggressive idiots but singing the national anthem for most won't be for that reason.

[AV82EC]

The national anthem thing is clearly a way to wind them up. Let's face it, many just join in with songs to be part of things, to belong. I'm sure there are some who are intent on being offensive, aggressive idiots but singing the national anthem for most won't be for that reason.

This is where I’m at. I didn’t particularly like singing YNWA at Old Trafford but we did it for the wind up and the reaction it got or bantz as da yoot say these days.

[Ads]

Fans were singing Brentford's name loudly underneath the concourse as everybody collectively chuckled at Tottenham. I'm not sure if that's because we're a group of secret hard right Brexiteers or radical Calvanist planters or just because we hadn't got round to our cover of Achy Breaky Heart yet.

There was a song (I presume it's a Liverpool and/or Man City one) being sung at Old Trafford about the collection of (alleged) wrong uns' and Scholes sucking his daughter's toes. A crass wind up or the implied views of masses of Kingstanding and Erdington on our new relationship with the EU. You decide.

[Chico Hamilton III]

If a few dicks want to pledge allegiance to God and the King then more fool them. Sign On annoys me but as I probably used to sing it on the Holte in the early 80s then I can’t really complain about others doing it now.

The “Always the Victims….”  song was originally a not so subtle attempt to link Hillsborough and Heysel - usually performed by fat bastards in shit clothes - and I hate it.

[Gareth]

I have to be careful this morning - I have a Liverpool mate, a ST holder and someone I’ve known and respected for years.

But since last night he’s been absolutely raging about the referee and us.

They genuinely think they’ve been robbed. I’ve stayed away from engaging as he’s so bitter about it, I think we’d end up falling out.

It’s quite unbelievable.

Bet he has no comprehension that ‘if’ the referee didn’t favour them it might have had something to do with vulgar, hyper aggressive behaviour that Klopp showed to the same referee as 4th official the other week.

What goes around comes around & is 100% on Klopp…vile individual

[Risso]

If a few dicks want to pledge allegiance to God and the King then more fool them. Sign On annoys me but as I probably used to sing it on the Holte in the early 80s then I can’t really complain about others doing it now.

Well you can, it was 40 years ago!

[dave shelley]

I forgot to watch Ref watch on Sky this morning.  Did anyone get round to watching it as I'm sure the disallowed goal would have been gone over with a fine tooth comb to end up with the 'should have stood' result?

[astonvilla82]

I forgot to watch Ref watch on Sky this morning.  Did anyone get round to watching it as I'm sure the disallowed goal would have been gone over with a fine tooth comb to end up with the 'should have stood' result?

Don't think it's been mentioned but Moreno injury came about because the Liverpool player came down on him with his boot when jumping?