Liverpool + Help - 1 Villa - 1 Post Match Thread

[SaddVillan]

Spurs and Liverpool both needed wins so got 10 mins, Man Utd were hanging on to a 1-0 so there was 4.

Conspiracy theorists rejoice.

Given the hullabaloo about the amount of added time played at Anfield yesterday I thought I'd see what happened in the Greedy6 games played so far, so I checked the BBC live text match stats

Spurs 1-3 Brentford
5+10 = 15 mins

Bournemouth 0-1 Man U
2 + 5 = 7 mins

Liverpool 1-1 Villa
9 +11 =20 mins

Forest 1-0 Arsenal
5 +9 = 14 mins

City 1-0 Chelsea
3+5 = 8 mins

Can anybody see a pattern?

[tomd2103]

I can think of 97 reasons why Liverpool boo the Anthem.

As horrific as Hillsborough was and I am very sympathetic to their feelings about what happened that day and in the aftermath, but honestly can’t see what that has to do with national anthem really. 

Whatever they say, it’s a very recent thing (I went as a neutral to the FA Cup Final in 2012 when they played Chelsea and didn’t hear any booing) and is an extension of this whole “Scouse not English” narrative they have.

[Somniloquism]

I can think of 97 reasons why Liverpool boo the Anthem.

As horrific as Hillsborough was and I am very sympathetic to their feelings about what happened that day and in the aftermath, but honestly can’t see what that has to do with national anthem really. 

Whatever they say, it’s a very recent thing (I went as a neutral to the FA Cup Final in 2012 when they played Chelsea and didn’t hear any booing) and is an extension of this whole “Scouse not English” narrative they have.

Although after 2012 they had the inquiry which resulted that the 97 were definitely unlawfully killed, yet still no one was ever found guilty or accepted full responsibility. So maybe it became more of an issue AFTER you went to that final?

[Nev]

The National Anthem represents the establishment in this country, an establishment that twisted and turned to ensure no one was bought to book for the events at Hillsborough. An establishment that sought to destroy Liverpool through managed decline. An establishment that despises the working class, immigrants and Socialism.

I'm an Irish Republican and oppose the concept of Royalty and the Anthem. On Coronation day I remained on the concourse at Molineux until the Anthem had been played, this is England and that's what happens but I do not blame the Scousers one bit for opposing it.

The idea of venerating the very people that detest you is utterly beyond me.

[ventnorVillain]

The National Anthem represents the establishment in this country, an establishment that twisted and turned to ensure no one was bought to book for the events at Hillsborough. An establishment that sought to destroy Liverpool through managed decline. An establishment that despises the working class, immigrants and Socialism.

I'm an Irish Republican and oppose the concept of Royalty and the Anthem. On Coronation day I remained on the concourse at Molineux until the Anthem had been played, this is England and that's what happens but I do not blame the Scousers one bit for opposing it.

The idea of venerating the very people that detest you is utterly beyond me.

Well said, Nev

[Witton Warrior]

The National Anthem represents the establishment in this country, an establishment that twisted and turned to ensure no one was bought to book for the events at Hillsborough. An establishment that sought to destroy Liverpool through managed decline. An establishment that despises the working class, immigrants and Socialism.

I'm an Irish Republican and oppose the concept of Royalty and the Anthem. On Coronation day I remained on the concourse at Molineux until the Anthem had been played, this is England and that's what happens but I do not blame the Scousers one bit for opposing it.

The idea of venerating the very people that detest you is utterly beyond me.

Well said, Nev

Thirded

[FatSam]

I'm an Irish Republican and oppose the concept of Royalty and the Anthem. On Coronation day I remained on the concourse at Molineux until the Anthem had been played, this is England and that's what happens but I do not blame the Scousers one bit for opposing it.

I’m an English republican, and also oppose the concept of royalty and the anthem. I find it bizarre that a group of Villa fans would spontaneously sing it, even to rile the opposition. Who wants to be on the wrong side of that argument? As a group there are specific things that unite Villa fans, but supporting the monarchy isn’t one of them. Not every Villa fan loves King Charles, whereas they probably do love Paul McGrath. Better to chant about him.

[Risso]

I was embarrassed by our fans while queuing up outside. Singing the national anthem, always the victims, sign on. Right bunch of twats. Then, in the ground, loads of blokes trying to get into rows further down instead of going to their own seats. I asked the bloke trying to stand in my spot where his seat was and thought he was going to lamp me. Not a pleasant experience really.

There's a very large proportion of absolute bellends in our away following.

[Pat McMahon]

Although I really enjoyed the away day, I hate the borish 'sign on' song at Liverpool. How moronic and small time are some of our followers. I even heard some pro Thatcher songs from those not alive when she was PM.

I found the Liverpool slums song really embarrassing as we were queing to go into the ground, mainly lads in their twenties and thirties I thought, but really cringeworthy, makes us look like a bunch of reactionary right wing morons.

As unpalatable as it is, some of our supporters are just that.  Put a load of people together and you get a cross section of society. 

I was embarrassed by our fans while queuing up outside. Singing the national anthem, always the victims, sign on. Right bunch of twats. Then, in the ground, loads of blokes trying to get into rows further down instead of going to their own seats. I asked the bloke trying to stand in my spot where his seat was and thought he was going to lamp me. Not a pleasant experience really.

We must have been queuing up at the same time (around 2:35-40) as I heard all thos chants too. I really despise the sign on chant more than the others. Not really a fan of the national anthem either but can squint and accept it was sung to wind up the scousers.

I found the stewarding and policing very poor yesterday. We were in row 30 so probably 20 rows back from the exits. Despite leaving for the loo straight on half time whistle we didn’t even make it to the exit, such was the weird crowd control deployed. Chico Hamilton III offered some pro bono consulting to one copper who reciprocated by offering a complimentary free night’s accommodation. I gave up and turned back as the players came out for the second half and held it in. It was truly awful crowd control. I asked a steward after the game and he said it is always like that.

[tomd2103]

I can think of 97 reasons why Liverpool boo the Anthem.

As horrific as Hillsborough was and I am very sympathetic to their feelings about what happened that day and in the aftermath, but honestly can’t see what that has to do with national anthem really. 

Whatever they say, it’s a very recent thing (I went as a neutral to the FA Cup Final in 2012 when they played Chelsea and didn’t hear any booing) and is an extension of this whole “Scouse not English” narrative they have.

Although after 2012 they had the inquiry which resulted that the 97 were definitely unlawfully killed, yet still no one was ever found guilty or accepted full responsibility. So maybe it became more of an issue AFTER you went to that final?

I've heard some of them saying that they have been booing it since the 1980's, which I'm sorry, but I can't recall them doing it until very recently. 

Probably should add at this point that I don't have any issues with the city of Liverpool or the people from there.  Just not keen on the sanctimonious and self-congratulating nature of the fans of both clubs that come from that city.  And that we've been on the end of so many bad decisions against the red half in particular over the years.

[tomd2103]

The National Anthem represents the establishment in this country, an establishment that twisted and turned to ensure no one was bought to book for the events at Hillsborough. An establishment that sought to destroy Liverpool through managed decline. An establishment that despises the working class, immigrants and Socialism.

I'm an Irish Republican and oppose the concept of Royalty and the Anthem. On Coronation day I remained on the concourse at Molineux until the Anthem had been played, this is England and that's what happens but I do not blame the Scousers one bit for opposing it.

The idea of venerating the very people that detest you is utterly beyond me.

To you maybe.  For others it's just a song that represents the country.  Just out of interest, as an Irish Republican, how would you feel about Ulster rugby fans going down to Dublin for a game and booing Amhrán na bhFiann ?

[Ads]

Liverpool is a good city these days, in the centre anyway. Hesseltine got the ball rolling. I'll look forward to strolling around his legacy at lunch time tomorrow in the sun.

Something to ponder. The idea that Hillsborough has its roots in the 1660s is a bizarre one.

Every away following has bellends. Normally the weather is not so glorious so they're identified by getting the badge in.

[Axl Rose]

I was embarrassed by our fans while queuing up outside. Singing the national anthem, always the victims, sign on. Right bunch of twats. Then, in the ground, loads of blokes trying to get into rows further down instead of going to their own seats. I asked the bloke trying to stand in my spot where his seat was and thought he was going to lamp me. Not a pleasant experience really.

There's a very large proportion of absolute bellends in our away following.

I can only imagine, mate. I despise all those YouTuber/social media types who go to aways, and imagine they're the most harmless ones out of the bellend brigade.

[Ads]

Max Stokes is a nice lad and has been doing it for years now. My boy (.8.) likes his videos to get a sense of the atmosphere etc, as it's been a nigh on impossibility to get him away tickets.

We have a loud and boisterous away following. There was nothing deep about some singing GSTK at the denizens of Olso/Cork or anywhere but an L postcode yesterday. There's some real grumpy overreaching going on this thread.

[pauliewalnuts]

They can’t whine about booing the anthem to make some contrived point but then get annoyed at opposition fans singing the anthem at them.

It’s football supporters antagonising other supporters and nothing more.

I find the boring “sign on” song more cringey.