Villa 2 Tottenham 1 post-match thread

[paul_e]

I don't think Emi touched the ball but it was so close and the footage is so inconclusive that if the ref things he did it shouldn't have been overruled.

The bigger problem is that when VAR was introduced they made it clear it wasn't about re-refereeing the game but if you're taking that much time and watching it in super slo-mo then that's what you're doing. Even then I could live with it if this level of forensic analysis was consistent but all too often it feels like the VAR has already decided what they want the decision to be and they use the time to find a way to make it, rather than an unbiased review of if the decision. Until the clear biases within pgmol are resolved nothing they do will be fit for purpose but right now they seem more scared of upsetting some clubs than they are of making mistakes.

agree, and now we hear nothing about clear and obvious, if it Thames 3 minutes it’s not clear and obvious.
PGMOL is clearly and obviously corrupt.

I agree with both of you and I also heard Chris Sutton on 5Live calling him out as a diver.

Interestingly Keith Hackett on Twitter said Kane initiated contact and should have been called up for simulation.

I’m just glad it didn’t cost us anything other than a squeaky bum last 6-7 minutes, and at least our complaints aren’t being labelled as sour grapes.

That's the thing, it might cost us something, that pen isn't given and we're ending the weekend level on goal difference with them, a 2 goal swing in their favour could easily be decisive in who qualifies for Europe. Without wanting to go over the top I'd hope we're going to put in a complaint about it and use views like those of Sutton and Hackett as part of our 'case'. We've been a soft touch for shitty decisions for a while and we need to stop letting the fuckers tickle our bellies.

[KevinGage]

Aye. I don't think it's in Emery's nature to game the system, as it were.

But sometimes you need to make a fuss about this sort of shite. With one eye on the next decision.

[Toronto Villa]

It’s going to fascinating to see how he approaches the Liverpool game. They need to win to try and secure a CL spot and we have our own ambitions.

[Rory]

Hes a ******. Minky musky sly old stoaty stoaty stoat.

Righty-dokey matey-bloke flap old salty sea-dog amigo skip-jack jockstrap piano-tuner, damn right

Absolute classic comedy, my favourite programme as a youngish teenager. Loved the Gas Man episode in particular.

"How do you keep it so warm in here?"

"We make love...not with each other! On our own..."

[Pat McMahon]

I don't think Emi touched the ball but it was so close and the footage is so inconclusive that if the ref things he did it shouldn't have been overruled.

The bigger problem is that when VAR was introduced they made it clear it wasn't about re-refereeing the game but if you're taking that much time and watching it in super slo-mo then that's what you're doing. Even then I could live with it if this level of forensic analysis was consistent but all too often it feels like the VAR has already decided what they want the decision to be and they use the time to find a way to make it, rather than an unbiased review of if the decision. Until the clear biases within pgmol are resolved nothing they do will be fit for purpose but right now they seem more scared of upsetting some clubs than they are of making mistakes.

agree, and now we hear nothing about clear and obvious, if it Thames 3 minutes it’s not clear and obvious.
PGMOL is clearly and obviously corrupt.

I agree with both of you and I also heard Chris Sutton on 5Live calling him out as a diver.

Interestingly Keith Hackett on Twitter said Kane initiated contact and should have been called up for simulation.

I’m just glad it didn’t cost us anything other than a squeaky bum last 6-7 minutes, and at least our complaints aren’t being labelled as sour grapes.

That's the thing, it might cost us something, that pen isn't given and we're ending the weekend level on goal difference with them, a 2 goal swing in their favour could easily be decisive in who qualifies for Europe. Without wanting to go over the top I'd hope we're going to put in a complaint about it and use views like those of Sutton and Hackett as part of our 'case'. We've been a soft touch for shitty decisions for a while and we need to stop letting the fuckers tickle our bellies.

Talking of soft touches, I think we should be more vocal and in the ref’s ear at times. Yesterday’s example would be when Watkins was scythed down by Royale. We didn’t make enough of a case to the ref. Another obvious one was the two offside players for Arsenal directly in Martinez’s line of vision.

With the honourable exception of Ashley Young we are not vocal with referees.

[lovejoy]

Point on the "penalty" was that the ref gave a corner and the VAR geniuses decided it was a clear and obvious error. Madness. Or bias.

[rooboy316]

The sin bin would just mean the team a man down would waste as much time as possible. And the 'lesser' teams would find their players binned while the big six would get away with it, same as most decisions now anyway.

There’s a lot to be learnt about referee respect and how those things are officiated in Rugby. Our local code here, Aussie Rules, does a lot right too in terms of changing rules to clamp down on shithousing. Eg if a team is awarded a free kick and the opposition tries to stop a quick play on, there are further penalties.


I’ve also wondered why we can’t have a clock that stops when the ball is out of play/before restarts etc. Would put an end to so much pointless time wasting.

[cdward]

Speaking to the Spurs fan at work today, he said we were lucky playing the offside trap that they didn't breach it more often.
Told him it wasn't luck,  it is a good manager knowing how to coach and set up a game plan, and the players executing the plan perfectly.
"We're still above you" he sneered.
"Not for long, we are passing ships, except you're like the Titanic, going down, and we're going up".

They really don't like Villa gatecrashing the greedy six party.
Better get used to it.

[SoccerHQ]

Point on the "penalty" was that the ref gave a corner and the VAR geniuses decided it was a clear and obvious error. Madness. Or bias.

In that respect it was as Emi didn't touch the ball regardless of how much actual contact there was from Kane engineering it.

[amfy]

Point on the "penalty" was that the ref gave a corner and the VAR geniuses decided it was a clear and obvious error. Madness. Or bias.

In that respect it was as Emi didn't touch the ball regardless of how much actual contact there was from Kane engineering it.

He also engineered him not touching the ball. Kane’s only intention with his touch was to ensure Emi didn’t get a touch. No intention whatsoever to play himself or any other Spurs player in, just ensure the goalie has no contact and then trip over him. ‘Cute’

[Risso]

If an attacking player just runs straight into a defender, it would very rarely be given as foul and a penalty. This is essentially what Kane did. It wasn't Emi's action that made him foul Kane, it was Kane dragging his legs over Emi's back.

[Toronto Villa]

You’ve seen those given. So my ire isn’t so much at the penalty itself. What massively fucks me off is that it wasn’t a clear and obvious mistake. The ref gave a corner so VAR would have had to have identified an egregious error to overturn that decision. There wasn’t. And furthermore, he was clearly offside in receiving the ball. That should have been it. But when fans claim something dodgy in officiating and bias towards certain clubs, it’s because of shit like this. We’ve had decisions against us where Ollie’s hair on his arm was offside, yet Kane is clearly and that doesn’t get called back. And now that goal could be a major factor if GD a comes into play.

[astonvilla82]

Didn't Kane do exactly the same against Villa in a previous game where he ran into the keeper and look like he was fouled and a penalty given?

[Bobby Boy]

Didn't Kane do exactly the same against Villa in a previous game where he ran into the keeper and look like he was fouled and a penalty given?

Yes, he did, in front of the Holte End.

Bearing mind all of the prep that goes into each game I would have thought that Emi would have been a bit more sussed about Kane's antics and avoided charging out like that.

Maybe it was a ball that he felt he needed to go for but at the time and from the Lower Holte admittedly, I thought that Emi was taking a major risk in making such a challenge.

[pauliewalnuts]

He's a great player, but I can't stand his gormless long face.