Villa 2 Tottenham 1 post-match thread

[Mister E]

Going back to the game, what was most impressive for me was the way we played through the lines in order to break down the Spuds' midfield and defence. Really well done by our midfield and CBs.

[Bobby Boy]

Going back to the game, what was most impressive for me was the way we played through the lines in order to break down the Spuds' midfield and defence. Really well done by our midfield and CBs.

Yes, the midfielders all offer something different yet complement each other perfectly.

McGinn has that aggressive tenacity that sparks the team, Ramsey has the thrust and drive to take us forward and Luiz, the composure and calmness to keep things ticking over.

I was impressed that in a game with such a lot on it we continued to play with calmness when it was needed then stepped up the intensity to impose our will on Tottenham.

We made them look very ordinary for large parts of the game.

Excellent stuff.

[danno]

What a great day, had ticket back of the lower holte behind the goal. We completely bossed the first half, how it was only 1-0 at half time I’m still not sure.

McGinn and his magic arse turned himself into space time and again.

Kane seemingly has the same immunity to bookings that is magically bestowed upon all England captains.

Another goal from a direct free kick.

Our offside trap is pretty formidable.

[VILLA MOLE]

I thought the noise levels were amazing today.

Pat Murphy's (yes, him!) 5 Live report was effusive in saying how noisy the place was and how obvious the bond between team and fans is.

Bloody hell Patrick

[VILLA MOLE]

To reiterate what I wrote on another thread, the issue with the penalty comes down to the rules of the game. If the rules are that any contact with an attacker in the box is a penalty, then it was technically the correct decision. This is completely ruining the game though, and encourages cheating. The rule should be that the defending team needs to have gained an advantage from the incident for it to constitute a foul. Yesterday’s incident wouldn’t have been a penalty because Kane basically kicked it out of play in order to be in a position to receive minimal contact from Martinez - contact that was in no way sufficient to cause him to lose balance. How can it be fair that a player who has kicked the ball out of play is rewarded with an 85% chance of scoring a goal?

I don't think the rules state that any contact with an attacker in the box is a penalty? A foul is a foul anywhere on the pitch. Kane gets preferential treatment from the officials due to his anointment as King of English football.

That how it oftens gets officiated though, maybe the laws don't say that but there is a misguided common belief that any contact is enough to justify the attacker gonig down and if he does it's a penalty. If the authorities were serious about fair play they'd have dealt with it years ago. On the same subject watching Kane walk after the ref shouting ''oi, oi, oi" for about 30 seconds was a perfect example of why the whole 'respect the referee' thing is bullshit, they get shit because they do nothing to stop it until it's far too late. As someone else said PGMOL is a fucking embarrassment and need to be replaced.

My lad said this morning that there should be a sin bin in place for that sort of backchat and pressure on the ref.

Tackles can be mistimed and lead to a yellow but a sin bin would be a bit harsh, sin bin though may just cause teams to focus more and sort out some of that behaviour.

A sin bin would sort out a lot of the dissent.  It would put the onus on players on how they approach the referee

[ChicagoLion]

To reiterate what I wrote on another thread, the issue with the penalty comes down to the rules of the game. If the rules are that any contact with an attacker in the box is a penalty, then it was technically the correct decision. This is completely ruining the game though, and encourages cheating. The rule should be that the defending team needs to have gained an advantage from the incident for it to constitute a foul. Yesterday’s incident wouldn’t have been a penalty because Kane basically kicked it out of play in order to be in a position to receive minimal contact from Martinez - contact that was in no way sufficient to cause him to lose balance. How can it be fair that a player who has kicked the ball out of play is rewarded with an 85% chance of scoring a goal?

I don't think the rules state that any contact with an attacker in the box is a penalty? A foul is a foul anywhere on the pitch. Kane gets preferential treatment from the officials due to his anointment as King of English football.

That how it oftens gets officiated though, maybe the laws don't say that but there is a misguided common belief that any contact is enough to justify the attacker gonig down and if he does it's a penalty. If the authorities were serious about fair play they'd have dealt with it years ago. On the same subject watching Kane walk after the ref shouting ''oi, oi, oi" for about 30 seconds was a perfect example of why the whole 'respect the referee' thing is bullshit, they get shit because they do nothing to stop it until it's far too late. As someone else said PGMOL is a fucking embarrassment and need to be replaced.

My lad said this morning that there should be a sin bin in place for that sort of backchat and pressure on the ref.

Tackles can be mistimed and lead to a yellow but a sin bin would be a bit harsh, sin bin though may just cause teams to focus more and sort out some of that behaviour.

A sin bin would sort out a lot of the dissent.  It would put the onus on players on how they approach the referee

I think the professional foul should be a sin bin offence to stop  foul rotation.

[Goldenballs]

The sin bin would just mean the team a man down would waste as much time as possible. And the 'lesser' teams would find their players binned while the big six would get away with it, same as most decisions now anyway.

[Luffbralion]

Superb,still raging about Kane though. I wish he was called out as a cheat .And he was offside.

Chris Sutton just called him out as a serial diver, including for yesterday's "tumble"," on Radio 5 606 tonight in the section when they consider the weekend's divers.

[Gareth]

Has anyone seen an angle that proves Emi didn’t touch the ball before the cheat rolled over and played dead?  Or was the VAR earning his signed shirt playing guessing games?

[john e]

Emi missed the ball Kane dived right into him and bought the penalty 99% of strikers would have done the same. It’s where the game is now
I think it was a penalty given the laws of the game but so was Watkins one in a previous game

Exactly the same scenario totally different outcome
And that’s where the problem lies

[Gareth]

But the referee gave a corner so VAR had to have definitive evidence to overturn…that definitive angle was what I meant.

I know all strikers would do it but it’s about the decision

[paul_e]

I don't think Emi touched the ball but it was so close and the footage is so inconclusive that if the ref things he did it shouldn't have been overruled.

The bigger problem is that when VAR was introduced they made it clear it wasn't about re-refereeing the game but if you're taking that much time and watching it in super slo-mo then that's what you're doing. Even then I could live with it if this level of forensic analysis was consistent but all too often it feels like the VAR has already decided what they want the decision to be and they use the time to find a way to make it, rather than an unbiased review of if the decision. Until the clear biases within pgmol are resolved nothing they do will be fit for purpose but right now they seem more scared of upsetting some clubs than they are of making mistakes.

[ChicagoLion]

I don't think Emi touched the ball but it was so close and the footage is so inconclusive that if the ref things he did it shouldn't have been overruled.

The bigger problem is that when VAR was introduced they made it clear it wasn't about re-refereeing the game but if you're taking that much time and watching it in super slo-mo then that's what you're doing. Even then I could live with it if this level of forensic analysis was consistent but all too often it feels like the VAR has already decided what they want the decision to be and they use the time to find a way to make it, rather than an unbiased review of if the decision. Until the clear biases within pgmol are resolved nothing they do will be fit for purpose but right now they seem more scared of upsetting some clubs than they are of making mistakes.

agree, and now we hear nothing about clear and obvious, if it Thames 3 minutes it’s not clear and obvious.
PGMOL is clearly and obviously corrupt.

[Villafirst]

Apparently VAR cleared that it wasn't offside. Mysteriously they didn't show any of their silly red and blue lines?? The whole thing is corrupt.

[Pat McMahon]

I don't think Emi touched the ball but it was so close and the footage is so inconclusive that if the ref things he did it shouldn't have been overruled.

The bigger problem is that when VAR was introduced they made it clear it wasn't about re-refereeing the game but if you're taking that much time and watching it in super slo-mo then that's what you're doing. Even then I could live with it if this level of forensic analysis was consistent but all too often it feels like the VAR has already decided what they want the decision to be and they use the time to find a way to make it, rather than an unbiased review of if the decision. Until the clear biases within pgmol are resolved nothing they do will be fit for purpose but right now they seem more scared of upsetting some clubs than they are of making mistakes.

agree, and now we hear nothing about clear and obvious, if it Thames 3 minutes it’s not clear and obvious.
PGMOL is clearly and obviously corrupt.

I agree with both of you and I also heard Chris Sutton on 5Live calling him out as a diver.

Interestingly Keith Hackett on Twitter said Kane initiated contact and should have been called up for simulation.

I’m just glad it didn’t cost us anything other than a squeaky bum last 6-7 minutes, and at least our complaints aren’t being labelled as sour grapes.