2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

[Beard82]

I don't think we're going to throw money at things.  They haven't to date, and I don't see that changing.

We will spend aggressively to get what we need - but I don't think the club will buy competition or upgrade for Watkins unless a fantastic deal becomes available.

We have 2 promising young strikers - both of which we would be excited about if we had just signed them.  I don't think we're spending 60m on a player anytime soon unless we think they're absolutely crucial - and tbf a forward that is worth it would have been bought by Man Utd or Byren - as they're both shopping for one. 

Newcastle may have done it  - but effectively they have £60m for a player that is, broadly speaking, at a similar level to Watkins and Wilson.  Archer and Duran might both turn out to be shite at this level - but neither has a proper chance, and personally, we have 1 right back, 1 fit left back, and a reserve goalie who wouldn't even be a competent barman. I would prioritize those positions above it.

[pauliewalnuts]

I think with Ramsey and Archer, it's worth remembering, it's not just about the sums they fetch for FFP purposes, it's that they are both home grown, which is FFP gold dust.

[AV84]

If we sell Archer too, even with a buyback clause, we have to be looking at bringing someone else in. No way we go into the season expecting Watkins to play every single game with only Durán as back up. Something must be in the works.

[pauliewalnuts]

I don't think we're going to throw money at things.  They haven't to date, and I don't see that changing.

We will spend aggressively to get what we need - but I don't think the club will buy competition or upgrade for Watkins unless a fantastic deal becomes available.

We have 2 promising young strikers - both of which we would be excited about if we had just signed them.  I don't think we're spending 60m on a player anytime soon unless we think they're absolutely crucial - and tbf a forward that is worth it would have been bought by Man Utd or Byren - as they're both shopping for one. 

Newcastle may have done it  - but effectively they have £60m for a player that is, broadly speaking, at a similar level to Watkins and Wilson.  Archer and Duran might both turn out to be shite at this level - but neither has a proper chance, and personally, we have 1 right back, 1 fit left back, and a reserve goalie who wouldn't even be a competent barman. I would prioritize those positions above it.

Who is talking about spending £60m on a player?

In the Isaak and Wilson example, Isaak and Watkins are the 60m players. We've already got that one.

It's not someone as good as Isaak or Watkins we need, it's someone as good as Wilson.

[Brazilian Villain]

If we sell Archer too, even with a buyback clause, we have to be looking at bringing someone else in. No way we go into the season expecting Watkins to play every single game with only Durán as back up. Something must be in the works.

Mbappe hasn't gone anywhere yet, has he?

[pauliewalnuts]

If we sell Archer too, even with a buyback clause, we have to be looking at bringing someone else in. No way we go into the season expecting Watkins to play every single game with only Durán as back up. Something must be in the works.

Absolutely.

[Rudy Can't Fail]

I want better than Watkins

He's gone to PSG.

and who is that?

Gonçalo Ramos, 27 goals last season for Benfica, 4 at the World Cup, 22 years old, two footed, technically gifted, good with his head..yours for £56m..too late! Sold!

It will be interesting to see who Benfica bring in now, it should be exactly in our price range as from that £56m ten went to agents fees and they're not going to spend £44m on a striker. No chance. My guess is around £25m-£30m max.

[AV84]

If we sell Archer too, even with a buyback clause, we have to be looking at bringing someone else in. No way we go into the season expecting Watkins to play every single game with only Durán as back up. Something must be in the works.

Mbappe hasn't gone anywhere yet, has he?

I saw something earlier that suggested he'd agreed a deal with a Prem side but it fell through. Can only assume he heard we'd be in the market very soon.

[Beard82]

I don't think we're going to throw money at things.  They haven't to date, and I don't see that changing.

We will spend aggressively to get what we need - but I don't think the club will buy competition or upgrade for Watkins unless a fantastic deal becomes available.

We have 2 promising young strikers - both of which we would be excited about if we had just signed them.  I don't think we're spending 60m on a player anytime soon unless we think they're absolutely crucial - and tbf a forward that is worth it would have been bought by Man Utd or Byren - as they're both shopping for one. 

Newcastle may have done it  - but effectively they have £60m for a player that is, broadly speaking, at a similar level to Watkins and Wilson.  Archer and Duran might both turn out to be shite at this level - but neither has a proper chance, and personally, we have 1 right back, 1 fit left back, and a reserve goalie who wouldn't even be a competent barman. I would prioritize those positions above it.

Who is talking about spending £60m on a player?

In the Isaak and Wilson example, Isaak and Watkins are the 60m players. We've already got that one.

It's not someone as good as Isaak or Watkins we need, it's someone as good as Wilson.

I think, most non villa fans would put Wilson on a similar level to Wtakins - Wilson gets in the England squad ahead of him.  And in all fairness, we properly had him in Danny Ings. 

If we sell Archer, then there is a plan at foot - if not, I think that's what we're banking on - rightly or wrongly. 

I think its also worth mentioning that signing a backup is much harder.  Does Wilson go to Newcastle to play backup if Isak is already there?

[Ger Regan]

I think with Ramsey and Archer, it's worth remembering, it's not just about the sums they fetch for FFP purposes, it's that they are both home grown, which is FFP gold dust.

Am i right in thinking that, assuming we got 14m for ramsey and 20m for archer, that would easily cancel out this seasons amortisation costs for our new signings so far? We would absolutely need another striker were that to happen though (although someone like Brennan Johnson would be fine for me, as opposed to an out-and-out striker)

[Brazilian Villain]

If we sell Archer too, even with a buyback clause, we have to be looking at bringing someone else in. No way we go into the season expecting Watkins to play every single game with only Durán as back up. Something must be in the works.

Mbappe hasn't gone anywhere yet, has he?

I saw something earlier that suggested he'd agreed a deal with a Prem side but it fell through. Can only assume he heard we'd be in the market very soon.

Surely he must realise that working with Unai and his coaches will only improve him as a player.

[Beard82]

I think with Ramsey and Archer, it's worth remembering, it's not just about the sums they fetch for FFP purposes, it's that they are both home grown, which is FFP gold dust.

Am i right in thinking that, assuming we got 14m for ramsey and 20m for archer, that would easily cancel out this seasons amortisation costs for our new signings so far? We would absolutely need another striker were that to happen though (although someone like Brennan Johnson would be fine for me, as opposed to an out-and-out striker)

Doesnt that also mean that FFP is bollocks - if we sell 2 players that cost us nothing on low wages and buy someone new on high wages - how are we in a better position in the real world?

[pauliewalnuts]

I think, most non villa fans would put Wilson on a similar level to Wtakins - Wilson gets in the England squad ahead of him.  And in all fairness, we properly had him in Danny Ings. 

If we sell Archer, then there is a plan at foot - if not, I think that's what we're banking on - rightly or wrongly. 

I think its also worth mentioning that signing a backup is much harder.  Does Wilson go to Newcastle to play backup if Isak is already there?

That doesn't really change our situation, though.

Signing players to play in positions where there's an established player is always going to be a challenge, but it happens all the time.

It didn't stop us signing Pau Torres as a left footer CB when we have an extremely embedded left footed CB in place.

Unless you think it's really impossible for us to acquire a more match-ready striker than Duran and Archer?

[Brazilian Villain]

I think with Ramsey and Archer, it's worth remembering, it's not just about the sums they fetch for FFP purposes, it's that they are both home grown, which is FFP gold dust.

Am i right in thinking that, assuming we got 14m for ramsey and 20m for archer, that would easily cancel out this seasons amortisation costs for our new signings so far?

The profit on them would easily be double the amortisation on the new signings for one year.

[pauliewalnuts]

I think with Ramsey and Archer, it's worth remembering, it's not just about the sums they fetch for FFP purposes, it's that they are both home grown, which is FFP gold dust.

Am i right in thinking that, assuming we got 14m for ramsey and 20m for archer, that would easily cancel out this seasons amortisation costs for our new signings so far? We would absolutely need another striker were that to happen though (although someone like Brennan Johnson would be fine for me, as opposed to an out-and-out striker)

Doesnt that also mean that FFP is bollocks - if we sell 2 players that cost us nothing on low wages and buy someone new on high wages - how are we in a better position in the real world?

Not sure that question makes sense.

If we sell players who are youth products, we get to book the entire transfer fee in whichever period we want to, so we could sell Ramsey and Archer for say 40m and book the entire lot to this year's FFP if we wanted. That gives us immense room for maneouvre.

FFP is absolutely a thing, look at the state of Wolves and Everton for proof of that.

The absolute saving grace for us in our recent transfer activity has been 120m for two homegrown players.