2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

[algy]

Absolutely.

We are a society that values someone who can kick a ball infinitely more than we value a paramedic who will save our lives, or a firefighter who risks their life to save ours.

No we're not.

The TV companies do.

Because you have no interest in paying them to show you paramedics or firefighters in action (or generally in inaction in the latter case).

Firefighters get paid for what they're prepared to do rather than what they actually (mostly) do.

My dad was a fireman. Used to think he had a dead cushy job, paid a fair old wage for mostly sitting about playing pool and drinking.

Anyway, he'd got this photo on the wall of our house, huge fire in some big building. Asked him what it was about, and he told me this story of when he'd gone to a fire in a pork scratchings factory in Oldbury.

Said they were inside fighting this fire, saw that the it was dangerously close to one of the vats of oil and it was about to blow. They ran like fuck for the door to this room, he got out. But the leading fireman saw that basically they had to shut the door right there and then, with a few firemen inside still trying to escape, or they'd all die. So he shut the door, and several (4 or 5) of my dad's mates ... well, the bodies didn't exist to be buried. My dad said he didn't eat pork scratchings again for fear that he might end up eating bits of fireman.

He'd been doing his exams at the time to become a station officer, passed them, but stayed as an ordinary fireman after that - said he didn't want to have that type of decision on his conscience.

He mostly didn't talk about his work at home, but the were 2 or 3 stories he told me along those lines and I just thought, fuck that for a game of marbles.

When was that, mate?
I was in the Fire Service 1979-2009.

Ah, well I'd guess it would be mid-late 70s. Know he was in Lichfield from (very) late 70s to 2001, and he'd been at Tipton before that but don't know the dates. Could ask him next time I see him though.

[Risso]

I hope we sign someone soon, so I don't have trawl through all the leftist word salad much longer and we can get back to discussing football.

“Leftist”? Wanting nurses and teachers to be paid more? I thought it would be a universal concern.

I think the artificial and spurious conflation with what footballers earn is the problem.

[Sexual Ealing]

My dad's band, Leftist Word Salad, are playing at the Hare & Hounds later if anyone's around. The old man's been dead for 11 years, but he loves his music.

[Ads]

I hope we sign someone soon, so I don't have trawl through all the leftist word salad much longer and we can get back to discussing football.

“Leftist”? Wanting nurses and teachers to be paid more? I thought it would be a universal concern.

I think the artificial and spurious conflation with what footballers earn is the problem.

Yeah the original acorn from which thus H&V classic thread deviation started from was peak culture war bollocks

[ASHTONVILLA]

I hope we sign someone soon, so I don't have trawl through all the leftist word salad much longer and we can get back to discussing football.

“Leftist”? Wanting nurses and teachers to be paid more? I thought it would be a universal concern.

I think the artificial and spurious conflation with what footballers earn is the problem.

Thanks Risso, that is exactly what I mean.

I wasn't going to bite but teachers? I doubt many people are keen on giving in to their pay demands, certainly not if means their tax going up.

[Bad English]

You speak for yourself.

[Sexual Ealing]

I hope we sign someone soon, so I don't have trawl through all the leftist word salad much longer and we can get back to discussing football.

“Leftist”? Wanting nurses and teachers to be paid more? I thought it would be a universal concern.

I think the artificial and spurious conflation with what footballers earn is the problem.

Thanks Risso, that is exactly what I mean.

I wasn't going to bite but teachers? I doubt many people are keen on giving in to their pay demands, certainly not if means their tax going up.

I'm not necessarily representative of the populace, but I want teachers' pay to go up. And my taxes, if need be.

[ASHTONVILLA]

You speak for yourself.

I'm more than happy for French tax to go up.

[Clark W Griswold]

‘Word Salad’ …???
😁

[RamboandBruno]

I hope we sign someone soon, so I don't have trawl through all the leftist word salad much longer and we can get back to discussing football.

“Leftist”? Wanting nurses and teachers to be paid more? I thought it would be a universal concern.

I think the artificial and spurious conflation with what footballers earn is the problem.

Thanks Risso, that is exactly what I mean.

I wasn't going to bite but teachers? I doubt many people are keen on giving in to their pay demands, certainly not if means their tax going up.

Yes teachers, long hours, not great pay, most teachers i know are working for large parts of the weekend after a long week at work. Most teachers haven’t had an above inflation pay rise in years, the numbers of graduates training to teach has dropped fairly dramatically over the last few years, and lots going into the profession don’t last past 5 years, partly down the workload/pressure to pay dynamic.

But then I guess being happy for teachers to mobilise in order to gain a pay rise that would otherwise never be forthcoming, is just leftist word salad.

I do agree that football players wages is a diversion away from the causes and affects of shitting all over our public sector workers and people like yourself seemingly being pretty comfortable with it.

[Risso]

I'm not necessarily representative of the populace, but I want teachers' pay to go up. And my taxes, if need be.

If your tax goes up, then everybody's tax goes up, and people earn less, including teachers.

[Sexual Ealing]

I'm not necessarily representative of the populace, but I want teachers' pay to go up. And my taxes, if need be.

If your tax goes up, then everybody's tax goes up, and people earn less, including teachers.

Ha! Fucking hell mate, that's a stretch.

[Richard E]

What is a "pay rise"?

[Risso]

I'm not necessarily representative of the populace, but I want teachers' pay to go up. And my taxes, if need be.

If your tax goes up, then everybody's tax goes up, and people earn less, including teachers.

Ha! Fucking hell mate, that's a stretch.

It's really not. People are striking to be paid more. If your tax goes up, you take home less pay, it's not rocket science. "I'd happily pay more tax for this...." is something your hear a lot, and then you see the reality when things like the National Insurance increase come in, turns out people weren't as happy as they once pretended they were.

[Monty]

And yet other countries seem to manage it.