2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

[Ads]

You should see me teach dynamic chemical equilibrium. 60 minutes of pure magic.

You couldn't do it at a cold, wet, school in Stoke on a Tuesday afternoon.

[ADVILLAFAN]

The last week of this thread has been H&V gold.

Hasn’t it just! It all spiralled from United didn’t it?

Which one? 

[Baldy]

I'm so excited, I just can't hide it.

Love what's going on at the Villa and with the transfer market.

Exciting times ahead and this time, I don't think its going to be a false dawn. 

[RamboandBruno]

I'm so excited, I just can't hide it.

Love what's going on at the Villa with the transfer market.

Exciting times ahead and this time, I don't think its going to be a false dawn. 

Yep me too. This us oldies just get this feels like the real thing. On that note, there are still tickets letft in the walsall end for todays match, but my 13 year old can’t arsed as we’re going there for the Lazio, kids need to realise whats going down here!

[andyh]

I was having the same conversation at work yesterday.
With the genius we have managing the club and the fantastic owners we have, I don’t think I have been this excited about an upcoming season since Sir Graham mk1.

[nigel]

Absolutely.

We are a society that values someone who can kick a ball infinitely more than we value a paramedic who will save our lives, or a firefighter who risks their life to save ours.

No we're not.

The TV companies do.

Because you have no interest in paying them to show you paramedics or firefighters in action (or generally in inaction in the latter case).

Firefighters get paid for what they're prepared to do rather than what they actually (mostly) do.

My dad was a fireman. Used to think he had a dead cushy job, paid a fair old wage for mostly sitting about playing pool and drinking.

Anyway, he'd got this photo on the wall of our house, huge fire in some big building. Asked him what it was about, and he told me this story of when he'd gone to a fire in a pork scratchings factory in Oldbury.

Said they were inside fighting this fire, saw that the it was dangerously close to one of the vats of oil and it was about to blow. They ran like fuck for the door to this room, he got out. But the leading fireman saw that basically they had to shut the door right there and then, with a few firemen inside still trying to escape, or they'd all die. So he shut the door, and several (4 or 5) of my dad's mates ... well, the bodies didn't exist to be buried. My dad said he didn't eat pork scratchings again for fear that he might end up eating bits of fireman.

He'd been doing his exams at the time to become a station officer, passed them, but stayed as an ordinary fireman after that - said he didn't want to have that type of decision on his conscience.

He mostly didn't talk about his work at home, but the were 2 or 3 stories he told me along those lines and I just thought, fuck that for a game of marbles.

When was that, mate?
I was in the Fire Service 1979-2009.

[thick_mike]

You should see me teach dynamic chemical equilibrium. 60 minutes of pure magic.

You couldn't do it at a cold, wet, school in Stoke on a Tuesday afternoon.

Damn right! No way I’m teaching A level Chemistry in an FE College in Stoke.

[eamonn]

You should see me teach dynamic chemical equilibrium. 60 minutes of pure magic.

Skyler: "Walt...? Is that you...?"
Walter: *Furiously busys himself from behind*

[Bad English]

Haha!

[RichardBatchelor]

Absolutely.

We are a society that values someone who can kick a ball infinitely more than we value a paramedic who will save our lives, or a firefighter who risks their life to save ours.

No we're not.

The TV companies do.

Because you have no interest in paying them to show you paramedics or firefighters in action (or generally in inaction in the latter case).

To be fair, I've stayed out of this one, but please don't be having a go at the emergency services, mate. It's not on.

Not sure that’s having a go - isn’t he simply saying that as a spectacle, most people would rather watch a game of football than firefighters when they’re at the depot. That said, obviously I’d rather watch firefighters at the depot than most borefests at the Etihad.

[OCD]

So...to sum up. Nothing new on the transfer front since Thursday.

[charlatan]

Absolutely.

We are a society that values someone who can kick a ball infinitely more than we value a paramedic who will save our lives, or a firefighter who risks their life to save ours.

No we're not.

The TV companies do.

Because you have no interest in paying them to show you paramedics or firefighters in action (or generally in inaction in the latter case).

To be fair, I've stayed out of this one, but please don't be having a go at the emergency services, mate. It's not on.

I'm not having a go at anyone. Clearly supply and demand dictates they will get paid less than elite sportsmen in professional sports in which public interest is high. If hardly anybody was brave enough to be a firefighter or put up with the conditions of being a paramedic they would get paid more. See what happened with lorry drivers recently. Also as Ads suggests above the skills required to work in the emergency services are more readily attainable. It's not that everyone can attain them, but that there isn't a ruthless system for sorting the top few thousand most talented and throwing the rest on the scrap heap.

(Doctors are an interesting case though: many potential medics are turned away because we don't train enough of them domestically, a situation replicated in many western countries as I understand it. Maybe the public would be happy with a larger pool of doctors of a lower average standard getting paid less (given the lack of a supply constraint) to dispense advice/treatment more swiftly. Or maybe lower wages would mean lots more doctors leaving the UK and we'd be training lots of people to earn more overseas while our effective domestic supply didn't rise much. Or maybe the government would have employed the minimum number and waiting times would be just as bad, so we'd be paying less for lower quality advice....)

[charlatan]

Absolutely.

We are a society that values someone who can kick a ball infinitely more than we value a paramedic who will save our lives, or a firefighter who risks their life to save ours.

No we're not.

The TV companies do.

Because you have no interest in paying them to show you paramedics or firefighters in action (or generally in inaction in the latter case).

Yeah, those pricks, refusing to start fires.

Edit: I know you're our resident Jordan Peterson, Charlatan, and - like the man himself - you don't half talk bollocks.

You reckon I should monetise this shit as opposed to being a public sector worker?

[Sexual Ealing]

There's clearly an appetite for it.

[Sexual Ealing]

Absolutely.

We are a society that values someone who can kick a ball infinitely more than we value a paramedic who will save our lives, or a firefighter who risks their life to save ours.

No we're not.

The TV companies do.

Because you have no interest in paying them to show you paramedics or firefighters in action (or generally in inaction in the latter case).

To be fair, I've stayed out of this one, but please don't be having a go at the emergency services, mate. It's not on.

I'm not having a go at anyone. Clearly supply and demand dictates they will get paid less than elite sportsmen in professional sports in which public interest is high. If hardly anybody was brave enough to be a firefighter or put up with the conditions of being a paramedic they would get paid more. See what happened with lorry drivers recently. Also as Ads suggests above the skills required to work in the emergency services are more readily attainable. It's not that everyone can attain them, but that there isn't a ruthless system for sorting the top few thousand most talented and throwing the rest on the scrap heap.

(Doctors are an interesting case though: many potential medics are turned away because we don't train enough of them domestically, a situation replicated in many western countries as I understand it. Maybe the public would be happy with a larger pool of doctors of a lower average standard getting paid less (given the lack of a supply constraint) to dispense advice/treatment more swiftly. Or maybe lower wages would mean lots more doctors leaving the UK and we'd be training lots of people to earn more overseas while our effective domestic supply didn't rise much. Or maybe the government would have employed the minimum number and waiting times would be just as bad, so we'd be paying less for lower quality advice....)

Or maybe 'the market' doesn't have all the fucking answers.