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Offline Smirker

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Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
« Reply #10095 on: September 14, 2023, 10:43:03 PM »
I think there's a good player in Sancho but Man U was a terrible move for him, not sure I'd want to be the club that rehabilitates him though.
See Jesse Lingard.
Was on his way to redemption when he went to West Ham, now hes floating around looking for a club.
Sancho is the next Lingard

Sancho is miles more talented than Lingard tbf. Needs to get away from Man Utd though obviously.

I think a return to Dortmund is best for him. I'd have taken him before we got Diaby.


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Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
« Reply #10096 on: September 15, 2023, 07:29:20 AM »
I think there's a good player in Sancho but Man U was a terrible move for him, not sure I'd want to be the club that rehabilitates him though.

I was jut going to say something like "and there's a male model in me, and he's not getting out either" but then realised it might be misconstrued.

Yep, people may have thought you meant you could actually be a model.

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Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
« Reply #10097 on: September 15, 2023, 11:28:57 AM »
Whoever brings Sancho in will have to deal with his 350,000/week wages. That's a lot for anyone, let alone someone who's failed at United. Probably another Maguire and rot in United's reserves while picking up a ridiculous pay check.

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Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
« Reply #10098 on: September 15, 2023, 11:39:47 AM »
Whoever brings Sancho in will have to deal with his 350,000/week wages. That's a lot for anyone, let alone someone who's failed at United. Probably another Maguire and rot in United's reserves while picking up a ridiculous pay check.

A January loan to Bayern with an option for them to buy him would probably make sense for everyone involved.

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Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
« Reply #10099 on: September 15, 2023, 11:40:36 AM »
Perhaps they could do a 2 for 1 with Bailey?

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Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
« Reply #10100 on: September 15, 2023, 01:24:03 PM »
Whoever brings Sancho in will have to deal with his 350,000/week wages. That's a lot for anyone, let alone someone who's failed at United. Probably another Maguire and rot in United's reserves while picking up a ridiculous pay check.
Yeah, I worry about picking up players who've failed at other (English) clubs, particularly ones where the club they're coming from might be regarded as 'bigger'. Just feels like there's a lot of risk there, and little sign of reward to date.

I'd be leaving Sancho alone and spend that 350k/week elsewhere.

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« Reply #10101 on: September 15, 2023, 01:35:36 PM »
The Bundesliga is inferior to the Premier League. Bailey and Sancho with great stats in the former but poor in the latter are some proof of that. Neither can stand the physicality of the Prem

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Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
« Reply #10102 on: September 15, 2023, 01:45:12 PM »
Stats can be misleading because Bailey, on paper, hasn't done too badly with goals and assists.  I think Sancho has been found out. He's crap.  Of the two, we got much the better deal.

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Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
« Reply #10103 on: September 15, 2023, 01:49:06 PM »
Whoever brings Sancho in will have to deal with his 350,000/week wages. That's a lot for anyone, let alone someone who's failed at United. Probably another Maguire and rot in United's reserves while picking up a ridiculous pay check.
Yeah, I worry about picking up players who've failed at other (English) clubs, particularly ones where the club they're coming from might be regarded as 'bigger'. Just feels like there's a lot of risk there, and little sign of reward to date.

I'd be leaving Sancho alone and spend that 350k/week elsewhere.

Can't think of many occasions where it's worked? Drinkwater and Barkely were both recent disasters...

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Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
« Reply #10104 on: September 15, 2023, 03:17:53 PM »
Whoever brings Sancho in will have to deal with his 350,000/week wages. That's a lot for anyone, let alone someone who's failed at United. Probably another Maguire and rot in United's reserves while picking up a ridiculous pay check.
Yeah, I worry about picking up players who've failed at other (English) clubs, particularly ones where the club they're coming from might be regarded as 'bigger'. Just feels like there's a lot of risk there, and little sign of reward to date.

I'd be leaving Sancho alone and spend that 350k/week elsewhere.

Can't think of many occasions where it's worked? Drinkwater and Barkely were both recent disasters...

it really depends on context, salah and de bruyne both 'failed' at Chelsea and now they're in the top 5-6 players in the league. Zaha failed at Man U and then had a very good 2nd spell with Palace. To a lesser extent we decided Albrighton wasn't good enough and then he was superb for Leicester.

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Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
« Reply #10105 on: September 15, 2023, 03:47:04 PM »
Salah and De Bruyne were young players who hardly played for Chelsea. They weren't given a real chance before being loaned/sold. Sancho came in for a huge fee and has made 80 odd appearances for Man U.

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Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
« Reply #10106 on: September 15, 2023, 04:14:52 PM »
Salah and De Bruyne were young players who hardly played for Chelsea. They weren't given a real chance before being loaned/sold. Sancho came in for a huge fee and has made 80 odd appearances for Man U.

Drinkwater went to Chelsea on a free and Barkley was hardly expensive for Chelsea (the 2 examples given before my post). Aside from that nothing in the post I replied to or the 1 before it said anything about cost, just players who failed at a bigger club and then did well at another premier league club. I picked 4 players across 3 fairly different scenarios where it's happened on purpose, and I even said that the last one wasn't quite the same.

By making the price a big part of it you cut almost every player out because there's only been a handful in that price bracket. Even if you change the price to be relevant to the season it's still pretty rare for a guy who is in the top 2-3 most expensive in a window to have such a hard time and rarer still that they're a kid who should have his best years ahead of him, this would be the equivalent of Rooney failing at Man U or Shearer failing at Newcastle (which clearly didn't happen).

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Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
« Reply #10107 on: September 15, 2023, 04:22:25 PM »
^^ I thought Drinkwater went to Chelsea for about 30m?

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Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
« Reply #10108 on: September 15, 2023, 04:33:30 PM »
Non of those came with a 350k pw price tag and having been thoroughly tested and found wanting at PL.

Both Drinkwater and Barkley joined Chelsea on the back of PL success.
Salah had 13 appearances for Chelsea and had been on loan for two seasons before joining Liverpool.
De Bruyne had 3 appearances for Chelsea and had been on loan for two seasons before joining Man City.

Non of these are remotely similar to Sancho's situation.

What is similar is when Drinkwater and Barkley were subsequently loaned out on ridiculous wages after a period of sustained underperformance in the PL.  I imagine similar could be said for Dele Alli, Lingard and David Bently

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Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
« Reply #10109 on: September 15, 2023, 04:46:24 PM »
Salah and De Bruyne were young players who hardly played for Chelsea. They weren't given a real chance before being loaned/sold. Sancho came in for a huge fee and has made 80 odd appearances for Man U.

Drinkwater went to Chelsea on a free and Barkley was hardly expensive for Chelsea (the 2 examples given before my post). Aside from that nothing in the post I replied to or the 1 before it said anything about cost, just players who failed at a bigger club and then did well at another premier league club. I picked 4 players across 3 fairly different scenarios where it's happened on purpose, and I even said that the last one wasn't quite the same.

By making the price a big part of it you cut almost every player out because there's only been a handful in that price bracket. Even if you change the price to be relevant to the season it's still pretty rare for a guy who is in the top 2-3 most expensive in a window to have such a hard time and rarer still that they're a kid who should have his best years ahead of him, this would be the equivalent of Rooney failing at Man U or Shearer failing at Newcastle (which clearly didn't happen).
Don't mean this to be a pile on, paul_e, but to me the transfer fee isn't that important.  Barkley & Drinkwater were brought in as first team players.  Salah & De Bruyne were both sold well before they could be considered first teamers.  They're very different situations.

 


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