Aston Villa Group End of Year Accounts - year end May 31st 2022

[ChicagoLion]

Having a relative working at City Football Group I can safely say they are 10 years ahead of us in commercial terms, they have a lot of investments and have developed themselves into a global brand attracting global sponsors. Their turnover is more than others because they are run like a business end of.

Yes as Risso says below they are a very slick operation but the huge levels of revenue is not being generated from legitimate sources, these are related entities who are paying massively over the commercial rates.
Without this they would be significantly behind Liverpool and Manure, both of which have a global fan base.

[simboy]

I was at the Etihad for our game recently, and everything they do is really slick and perfectly executed. As one small example, when the players arrive, the coach pulls up into a reserved area outside, with a load of music and blue smoke etc. They then walk down a blue carpet, signing autographs and high-fiving the kids. They then walk into a hospitality area called the tunnel club, where they walk through the fans and again pose for photos etc. Prices in there are obviously astronomical, but even though it's staged and corporate as hell, I have to say it's really impressive. Compare that to the recent thread on here, where the answer to when the coach arrives is "well, sometimes it's about 2 hours before, but the players all have massive headphones on and just slink into the ground."

When you can't even buy a drink at half time in most areas of Villa Park, you realise just how far behind the times we are. Hopefully the upgrade to the North Stand will help to get things slightly more up to date, but you're then still left with three stands with outdated facilities.

My lad went on a tour of the Etihad. The tunnel club allows you to watch the players from the other side of a glass partition as they walk out. He was very impressed. The prices vary from game to game, so £199 plus VAT v Burnley in the cup to £1,628 v Arsenal - plus VAT of course.

 By comparison we provide a "directors lounge" as our premium corporate package. Prices are not readily available and, as you say Risso, none of the razzmatazz they may attract the corporate type.

I am still not convinced that Citeh are commercially the biggest in the world, and from the emails disclosed recently there might possibly have been some "shenanigans" going on. I would have thought that world wide the commercial pull of Liverpool, Yanited, Barca and Real Madrid would be ahead, but they have taken a new stadium and are maximising it. The commercialisation of the North Stand is our first real attempt to move forward in this field for a long time.

Someone suggested that we may need to move sites to really make the grade, but perhaps initially at least we can market our "heritage" rather than just with a passing nod [see the lamp post and McGregor statute for example]. Where's the draw to the ground other than on a match day? Let's hope they get the redevelopment right. Perhaps put the shop in the ground itself, freeing up all of that space.

[lovejoy]

Bloody hell I haven’t been able to surf all day and I come on a thread dedicated to the club accounts and there’s nary a sniff of balance sheets, profit and loss, EBiTDA, FFP implications, commercial performance and a detailed breakdown of player trading and amortisation implications. All we’ve had is a damning indictment of Xia and Lerner.

What became of this once great site.

The actual figures aren't showing on Companies House yet, so you'll have to wait a couple of day for amortisation chat.

....and the Lerner money is basically contingent consideration.

[ChicagoLion]

Bloody hell I haven’t been able to surf all day and I come on a thread dedicated to the club accounts and there’s nary a sniff of balance sheets, profit and loss, EBiTDA, FFP implications, commercial performance and a detailed breakdown of player trading and amortisation implications. All we’ve had is a damning indictment of Xia and Lerner.

What became of this once great site.

The actual figures aren't showing on Companies House yet, so you'll have to wait a couple of day for amortisation chat.

....and the Lerner money is basically contingent consideration.

do you mean a contingent liability? If it has now been paid it is an expense to the P&L Account.

[London Villan]

My lad went on a tour of the Etihad. The tunnel club allows you to watch the players from the other side of a glass partition as they walk out. He was very impressed. The prices vary from game to game, so £199 plus VAT v Burnley in the cup to £1,628 v Arsenal - plus VAT of course.
 

This type of hospitality is pretty common in the new US stadiums and I think will be built into the new Trinity Stand (about 1/3 of it is being redeveloped) with the seats behind the dugout being part of the "close to the action" experience.

[Baldy]

Some Villa fans would pay a fortune to be able to sit in our 'dug out' during a match.

Be more productive then naming two goalkeepers as substitutes.

Just a thought.

[LeeB]

I was at the Etihad for our game recently, and everything they do is really slick and perfectly executed. As one small example, when the players arrive, the coach pulls up into a reserved area outside, with a load of music and blue smoke etc. They then walk down a blue carpet, signing autographs and high-fiving the kids. They then walk into a hospitality area called the tunnel club, where they walk through the fans and again pose for photos etc. Prices in there are obviously astronomical, but even though it's staged and corporate as hell, I have to say it's really impressive. Compare that to the recent thread on here, where the answer to when the coach arrives is "well, sometimes it's about 2 hours before, but the players all have massive headphones on and just slink into the ground."

When you can't even buy a drink at half time in most areas of Villa Park, you realise just how far behind the times we are. Hopefully the upgrade to the North Stand will help to get things slightly more up to date, but you're then still left with three stands with outdated facilities.

My lad went on a tour of the Etihad. The tunnel club allows you to watch the players from the other side of a glass partition as they walk out. He was very impressed. The prices vary from game to game, so £199 plus VAT v Burnley in the cup to £1,628 v Arsenal - plus VAT of course.

 By comparison we provide a "directors lounge" as our premium corporate package. Prices are not readily available and, as you say Risso, none of the razzmatazz they may attract the corporate type.

I am still not convinced that Citeh are commercially the biggest in the world, and from the emails disclosed recently there might possibly have been some "shenanigans" going on. I would have thought that world wide the commercial pull of Liverpool, Yanited, Barca and Real Madrid would be ahead, but they have taken a new stadium and are maximising it. The commercialisation of the North Stand is our first real attempt to move forward in this field for a long time.

Someone suggested that we may need to move sites to really make the grade, but perhaps initially at least we can market our "heritage" rather than just with a passing nod [see the lamp post and McGregor statute for example]. Where's the draw to the ground other than on a match day? Let's hope they get the redevelopment right. Perhaps put the shop in the ground itself, freeing up all of that space.

I've experienced it thanks to the genorosity of the man you're quoting. It may not have the razzamatazz of other 'experiences' but it sure as shit makes a terrible performance a lot easier to swallow.

[Risso]

I was at the Etihad for our game recently, and everything they do is really slick and perfectly executed. As one small example, when the players arrive, the coach pulls up into a reserved area outside, with a load of music and blue smoke etc. They then walk down a blue carpet, signing autographs and high-fiving the kids. They then walk into a hospitality area called the tunnel club, where they walk through the fans and again pose for photos etc. Prices in there are obviously astronomical, but even though it's staged and corporate as hell, I have to say it's really impressive. Compare that to the recent thread on here, where the answer to when the coach arrives is "well, sometimes it's about 2 hours before, but the players all have massive headphones on and just slink into the ground."

When you can't even buy a drink at half time in most areas of Villa Park, you realise just how far behind the times we are. Hopefully the upgrade to the North Stand will help to get things slightly more up to date, but you're then still left with three stands with outdated facilities.

My lad went on a tour of the Etihad. The tunnel club allows you to watch the players from the other side of a glass partition as they walk out. He was very impressed. The prices vary from game to game, so £199 plus VAT v Burnley in the cup to £1,628 v Arsenal - plus VAT of course.

The fans aren't behind glass, they just rope off the bit they walk through, but you can still sjhke hands with the players as they walk through. There's a host who announces all the players as they walk down, all very slick. At Villa, it's usually the same few old players, ie Tony Daley and Shaun Teale, every other week giving their score predictions, and that's it.

[LeonW]

I saw some figures today that showed our turnover lower than that of the likes of Everton, Leicester, West Ham and .... fucking Wolves (last year's figures obvs).

Spurs more than 2.5x ours,

We've underperformed in this sense for years now, it needs to change. Commercial revenue is a big part of that.

In fact, here's the chart.



Also interesting to see that we're not turning over hugely more than the likes of Southampton and Brighton.

That's another part of being a 'big club' where we need to get our act together ASAP.

No way on earth Man Cities commerical revenue is bigger than Liverpool or Man City in real terms.

It’s probably the same ‘creative’ accountancy that they’ve demonstrated since their current owners came in.

It’s not creative accountancy it’s signing up marketing deals with related parties, nothing creative about it at all.

What would you class Mancini’s salary payment allocation as?

[Chico Hamilton III]

When you can't even buy a drink at half time in most areas of Villa Park, you realise just how far behind the times we are. Hopefully the upgrade to the North Stand will help to get things slightly more up to date, but you're then still left with three stands with outdated facilities.

When I was up there for the last game of last season, I went to get a pint at half time and was served immediately. I was  so surprised that I honestly thought I might have pushed into the front of the queue or something, I was looking around for someone to pull me up about it. Very slick service - so quick that I drank my pint and went up and ordered another, getting served just as quickly as the first time 

You could grow a beard, waiting to be served in the Lower North.

[dave.woodhall]

Have a look at BHX on a weekend where Liverpool or Manchester United are at home and you'll see loads of Irish supporters who fly here because it's cheaper to come here then hire a car than it is to fly there direct. You don't get that for Manchester City.

[Bully2345]

I saw some figures today that showed our turnover lower than that of the likes of Everton, Leicester, West Ham and .... fucking Wolves (last year's figures obvs).

Spurs more than 2.5x ours,

We've underperformed in this sense for years now, it needs to change. Commercial revenue is a big part of that.

In fact, here's the chart.



Also interesting to see that we're not turning over hugely more than the likes of Southampton and Brighton.

That's another part of being a 'big club' where we need to get our act together ASAP.

No way on earth Man Cities commerical revenue is bigger than Liverpool or Man City in real terms.

It’s probably the same ‘creative’ accountancy that they’ve demonstrated since their current owners came in.

It’s not creative accountancy it’s signing up marketing deals with related parties, nothing creative about it at all.

What would you class Mancini’s salary payment allocation as?

An expense. That won't have any bearing on their income, even if it is dodgy

[Hillbilly]

I always find myself looking at this thread each year and thinking how small football clubs are as businesses compared to their size in the public’s consciousness. It weirds me out a bit to be honest.

[LeonW]

I saw some figures today that showed our turnover lower than that of the likes of Everton, Leicester, West Ham and .... fucking Wolves (last year's figures obvs).

Spurs more than 2.5x ours,

We've underperformed in this sense for years now, it needs to change. Commercial revenue is a big part of that.

In fact, here's the chart.



Also interesting to see that we're not turning over hugely more than the likes of Southampton and Brighton.

That's another part of being a 'big club' where we need to get our act together ASAP.

No way on earth Man Cities commerical revenue is bigger than Liverpool or Man City in real terms.

It’s probably the same ‘creative’ accountancy that they’ve demonstrated since their current owners came in.

It’s not creative accountancy it’s signing up marketing deals with related parties, nothing creative about it at all.

What would you class Mancini’s salary payment allocation as?

An expense. That won't have any bearing on their income, even if it is dodgy

Is it because the table is showing turnover only, not any spend?

[olaftab]

I just dont see anyway Man City's income can be more than Liverpool or Man Utd legally.  Personally, I think my gut feel alone is enough to relegate them to the championship

When Abu Dhabi State Airline (owned by the same authority as the club) sponsors you untold sums for stadium naming rights and pays you well over the odds for shirt name it is understandable that their income is so high.