Aston Villa 2 The Arse 4 Post Match ah well what could have been thread

[Risso]

Yeah, it's getting a bit too predictable as are the yellow cards. He needs to get clever but overall I could care more. We've far bigger problems to resolve.

I'd say wasting time when you're not winning is quite a big problem.

[Rudy Can't Fail]

Yeah, it's getting a bit too predictable as are the yellow cards. He needs to get clever but overall I could care more. We've far bigger problems to resolve.

I'd say wasting time when you're not winning is quite a big problem.

It's a problem easily solved. Only turning up for 45 minutes a game is a bigger problem.

[Risso]

Yeah, it's getting a bit too predictable as are the yellow cards. He needs to get clever but overall I could care more. We've far bigger problems to resolve.

I'd say wasting time when you're not winning is quite a big problem.

It's a problem easily solved. Only turning up for 45 minutes a game is a bigger problem.

Oh I quite agree with that. It's been just about every match so far.

[LeonW]

Yeah, it's getting a bit too predictable as are the yellow cards. He needs to get clever but overall I could care more. We've far bigger problems to resolve.

I'd say wasting time when you're not winning is quite a big problem.

It's a problem easily solved. Only turning up for 45 minutes a game is a bigger problem.

Oh I quite agree with that. It's been just about every match so far.

I think a number of our players (Coutinho, Bunedia, Bailey, Moreno currently) can’t last at a decent level beyond the hour mark in a game. Our level drops because we can’t bring on like for like -or even close to- quality from the bench in many positions. That’s where clubs with better squads can get away with it more with the new subs rule. But the management team must know this with running/pressing stats, etc, which makes January all the more baffling to me.

[astonvilla82]

It's all to do with counter attacks, having false defenders in the box  who are not there to defend but spring into attack and opposition are left short in defence. However that could b bollox.

but I don't see us springing into attack

[brontebilly]

Yeah, it's getting a bit too predictable as are the yellow cards. He needs to get clever but overall I could care more. We've far bigger problems to resolve.

I'd say wasting time when you're not winning is quite a big problem.

It's a problem easily solved. Only turning up for 45 minutes a game is a bigger problem.

Oh I quite agree with that. It's been just about every match so far.

I think a number of our players (Coutinho, Bunedia, Bailey, Moreno currently) can’t last at a decent level beyond the hour mark in a game. Our level drops because we can’t bring on like for like -or even close to- quality from the bench in many positions. That’s where clubs with better squads can get away with it more with the new subs rule. But the management team must know this with running/pressing stats, etc, which makes January all the more baffling to me.

I thought the bench we named last weekend was the strongest I recall since we came back to the PL. Bar centre back and GK, we had decent quality across all other positions. Moreno is far better than Augustinson and Duran is a very exciting addition up front. Digne, Duran, Dendocker, Bailey, Ramsey - some struggling for form right now but there aren't many PL clubs bringing on that level of quality most weeks, likes of Young and Traore not even seeing game time and Carlos to come back still.

We have a tactical problem trying to accommodate 2 of Coutinho/Bailey/Buendia against better teams as it leaves Moreno/Digne very exposed and light in midfield. I still think Ramsey could get back in on the left side with his athleticism and give us better balance at times. But his work with and without the ball needs improvement.

I know it's three losses in a row but with the group we have I think we can finish the season strongly. I really liked some of Emery's selections last week (Cash, Coutinho, McGinn all in from the cold somewhat and delivered) but in game tactical switches need to be more proactive.

[LeonW]

Yeah, it's getting a bit too predictable as are the yellow cards. He needs to get clever but overall I could care more. We've far bigger problems to resolve.

I'd say wasting time when you're not winning is quite a big problem.

It's a problem easily solved. Only turning up for 45 minutes a game is a bigger problem.

Oh I quite agree with that. It's been just about every match so far.

I think a number of our players (Coutinho, Bunedia, Bailey, Moreno currently) can’t last at a decent level beyond the hour mark in a game. Our level drops because we can’t bring on like for like -or even close to- quality from the bench in many positions. That’s where clubs with better squads can get away with it more with the new subs rule. But the management team must know this with running/pressing stats, etc, which makes January all the more baffling to me.

I thought the bench we named last weekend was the strongest I recall since we came back to the PL. Bar centre back and GK, we had decent quality across all other positions. Moreno is far better than Augustinson and Duran is a very exciting addition up front. Digne, Duran, Dendocker, Bailey, Ramsey - some struggling for form right now but there aren't many PL clubs bringing on that level of quality most weeks, likes of Young and Traore not even seeing game time and Carlos to come back still.

We have a tactical problem trying to accommodate 2 of Coutinho/Bailey/Buendia against better teams as it leaves Moreno/Digne very exposed and light in midfield. I still think Ramsey could get back in on the left side with his athleticism and give us better balance at times. But his work with and without the ball needs improvement.

I know it's three losses in a row but with the group we have I think we can finish the season strongly. I really liked some of Emery's selections last week (Cash, Coutinho, McGinn all in from the cold somewhat and delivered) but in game tactical switches need to be more proactive.

Are we in danger of overrating some of our players? For many this is their third manager whilst at Villa. And unlike with Gerrard, I think we can trust Emery’s judgement and that he’ll be getting as much out of them as possible. Us not being consistent for 90 mins is not a new thing.

Duran has looked good in his cameos off the bench but it’s very different to starting a match and leading the line or having to be our main striker if Watkins gets injured or suspended. Central midfield I think is the strongest we’ve had in a decade, but after that I think we’re short in all other places, perhaps left back aside as you mentioned. The final months of the season should be the last chance saloon for a number of our players. If they take it then fair enough and it’ll be great but I suspect what we’ll get is more of what seen before and that is, that our players are inconsistent and when they’re not playing or come off the bench we’ll think they’re decent. But as soon as they start a game we’ll realise why they were on the bench.

[ChicagoLion]

Agree Leon, there is definitely a tendency to over rate our players but that is normal. In the cold light of day we have too many performances of 5 or 6 out of 10 and some even manage to regularly dip below that.
There is the infrequent 7 or 8 out of 10 performance, what you need is most of the team hitting 7 / 10 most of the time. The only ones I think can do that Young Luiz Kamara Maybe Moreno?
The centre of defence is a mess and has been all season with the odd few exceptions.
That’s why I think the rebuilding job is huge and I don’t see how  we are getting out of mid table mediocrity any time soon.

[Drummond]

There's a balance. Sometimes they are overrated, others on here think they're all shit.

They are all decent players, the question as always is can they do what's needed. We've had too much disruption of late with the change of manager.

Anyway, back to the match. That 3rd goal should never have been allowed, two players in offside positions blocking the keeper's view. Even Dermot fucking Gallagher struggled to defend his mates on Sky afterwards.

[Risso]

Anyway, back to the match. That 3rd goal should never have been allowed, two players in offside positions blocking the keeper's view. Even Dermot fucking Gallagher struggled to defend his mates on Sky afterwards.

I saw that, he's an absolute joker. The best he could come up with is that the ball started from a long way away. Since when has that been in the rules?

1) Were the players in an offside position - yes
2) Were they interfering with play by obstructing the view of the keeper - yes

[LeeB]

Anyway, back to the match. That 3rd goal should never have been allowed, two players in offside positions blocking the keeper's view. Even Dermot fucking Gallagher struggled to defend his mates on Sky afterwards.

I saw that, he's an absolute joker. The best he could come up with is that the ball started from a long way away. Since when has that been in the rules?

1) Were the players in an offside position - yes
2) Were they interfering with play by obstructing the view of the keeper - yes

There's been some amusing attempts at justification on twitter too, especially regarding the McGinn goal that was disallowed in the same circumstances a couple of years back, and that was more questionable as the keeper was never getting near it in a million years.

[Drummond]

Anyway, back to the match. That 3rd goal should never have been allowed, two players in offside positions blocking the keeper's view. Even Dermot fucking Gallagher struggled to defend his mates on Sky afterwards.

I saw that, he's an absolute joker. The best he could come up with is that the ball started from a long way away. Since when has that been in the rules?

1) Were the players in an offside position - yes
2) Were they interfering with play by obstructing the view of the keeper - yes

Yep, can't remember the presenter's name but even he had a look in his face that said 'wanker'

[baddowvillans]

Anyway, back to the match. That 3rd goal should never have been allowed, two players in offside positions blocking the keeper's view. Even Dermot fucking Gallagher struggled to defend his mates on Sky afterwards.

I saw that, he's an absolute joker. The best he could come up with is that the ball started from a long way away. Since when has that been in the rules?

1) Were the players in an offside position - yes
2) Were they interfering with play by obstructing the view of the keeper - yes

This exactly.  Gallagher says Matinez had plenty of time to see it but if he doesn't see it at the moment of contact when it's hit with that pace it's already too late.  Stupid comment and in doing so admiting that the ref got it wrong

[olaftab]

It's all to do with counter attacks, having false defenders in the box  who are not there to defend but spring into attack and opposition are left short in defence. However that could b bollox.

but I don't see us springing into attack

We do try but when the ball lands at Leon's feet it somehow becomes totally uncontrollable and finds the nearest opposition defender without any delay.

[frankmosswasmyuncle]

Anyway, back to the match. That 3rd goal should never have been allowed, two players in offside positions blocking the keeper's view. Even Dermot fucking Gallagher struggled to defend his mates on Sky afterwards.

I saw that, he's an absolute joker. The best he could come up with is that the ball started from a long way away. Since when has that been in the rules?

1) Were the players in an offside position - yes
2) Were they interfering with play by obstructing the view of the keeper - yes

This exactly.  Gallagher says Matinez had plenty of time to see it but if he doesn't see it at the moment of contact when it's hit with that pace it's already too late.  Stupid comment and in doing so admiting that the ref got it wrong

I think Gallagher's basic conclusion was "each and every ref just makes their own rules up"...little Aston Villa being on the end of so many of these "interpretations" against the "top" clubs simply confirms that that is EXACTLY what they do!

Stephen Warnock got it absolutely right....were they in an offside position? Yes. Were they active (moving)? Yes. Then they are offside!