Aston Villa 2 The Arse 4 Post Match ah well what could have been thread

[Risso]

You can be in an offside position and moving, if for example you're jogging back from the corner flag and nowhere near the play or the keeper's line of vision.

[GordonCowansisthegreatest]

You can be in an offside position and moving, if for example you're jogging back from the corner flag and nowhere near the play or the keeper's line of vision.

That would still depend on which club you play for!

[Risso]

You can be in an offside position and moving, if for example you're jogging back from the corner flag and nowhere near the play or the keeper's line of vision.

That would still depend on which club you play for!

Well, there is that!

[frankmosswasmyuncle]

You can be in an offside position and moving, if for example you're jogging back from the corner flag and nowhere near the play or the keeper's line of vision.

Exactly.
Then they're not interfering with play.

[eamonn]

I dunno, Emi is the first person you'd expect to piss and moan at a decision like that and he didn't. He wasn't getting anywhere near the ball, the cannoning off his head was unfortunate.

[amfy]

I dunno, Emi is the first person you'd expect to piss and moan at a decision like that and he didn't. He wasn't getting anywhere near the ball, the cannoning off his head was unfortunate.

I think the ridiculousness of the own goal was a distraction.

[Percy McCarthy]

Anyway, back to the match. That 3rd goal should never have been allowed, two players in offside positions blocking the keeper's view. Even Dermot fucking Gallagher struggled to defend his mates on Sky afterwards.

I saw that, he's an absolute joker. The best he could come up with is that the ball started from a long way away. Since when has that been in the rules?

1) Were the players in an offside position - yes
2) Were they interfering with play by obstructing the view of the keeper - yes

This exactly.  Gallagher says Matinez had plenty of time to see it but if he doesn't see it at the moment of contact when it's hit with that pace it's already too late.  Stupid comment and in doing so admiting that the ref got it wrong

It’s worse than that, VAR got it wrong as well.

[Mister E]

... He wasn't getting anywhere near the ball ...

That's the point: he'd needed clear sight of the ball-striker to get near it and - because it was coming from a long way out - he would probably have saved it, tipping round the post. His vision was impaired by 2 players so he saw neither the strike nor the ball, the latter eventually coming through a crowd of defenders.

[frankmosswasmyuncle]

It's not the players' job to appeal for stuff. It's up to the officials to apply the rules to the events....on too many occasions they simply don't. Several pundits said the same...that Martinez didn't appeal, yet criticise players for getting at the ref when they trying to appeal! Saka should have been booked for the challenge on Moreno, Nketiah should have been booked for simulation, Saka should have been booked for pushing opposition players after an incident. Only one of those happened.
The law is very clear on offside and obstructing the keeper's view. The referee didn't apply the law so VAR should have. It didn't.
Refs and VAR seem to be bending over backwards to use discretion and interpretation....that's why it's shit! Just apply the law.
Sorted.

[Skerra]

Maybe if we change our name to Villanchester United more VAR decisions would go our way!

[LeonW]

When you see an official lose their job for making an incorrect decision against one of the media darlings, what is most likely to happen when it comes to making a decision against said media darling next time? That is the problem. These guys don’t want abuse or to lose their job anymore then you or I and therein lies the problem with VAR; it’s still operated by humans. And making or not a decision for Villa is going to get less heat then Arsenal.

[astonvilla82]

When you see an official lose their job for making an incorrect decision against one of the media darlings, what is most likely to happen when it comes to making a decision against said media darling next time? That is the problem. These guys don’t want abuse or to lose their job anymore then you or I and therein lies the problem with VAR; it’s still operated by humans. And making or not a decision for Villa is going to get less heat then Arsenal.

well do the job and you won't get abuse,

[LeonW]

When you see an official lose their job for making an incorrect decision against one of the media darlings, what is most likely to happen when it comes to making a decision against said media darling next time? That is the problem. These guys don’t want abuse or to lose their job anymore then you or I and therein lies the problem with VAR; it’s still operated by humans. And making or not a decision for Villa is going to get less heat then Arsenal.

well do the job and you won't get abuse,

But that’s the point; they will. Arsenal’s 3 goal should have been disallowed. It wasn’t. Will there be a national inquest? No. Now compare that to the goal being disallowed after what happened last week…that’s the point.

[Ian.]

I dunno, Emi is the first person you'd expect to piss and moan at a decision like that and he didn't. He wasn't getting anywhere near the ball, the cannoning off his head was unfortunate.

I think the ridiculousness of the own goal was a distraction.

Absolutely. It was offside and as clear an offside you will see all season. Martinez or anyone else on the pitch shouldn't have to chase the referees either, it was pretty clear.

[Bully2345]

When you see an official lose their job for making an incorrect decision against one of the media darlings, what is most likely to happen when it comes to making a decision against said media darling next time? That is the problem. These guys don’t want abuse or to lose their job anymore then you or I and therein lies the problem with VAR; it’s still operated by humans. And making or not a decision for Villa is going to get less heat then Arsenal.

well do the job and you won't get abuse,

This is what is wrong with football culture and what has been mentioned previously on the thread. Abuse is not ok regardless of whether a decision was wrong. Saying it's ok to abuse them because they got it wrong filters down to the Sunday League game where referees are getting abused and have no protection against it. Don't be surprised that standards of refereeing are low when the referee pool is small and getting smaller because your average volunteer referee doesn't want to put themselves through it anymore

It's fine to have an opinion on how things can be better but abusing these people is plain wrong